Re: [gentoo-dev] 2006.0 - me having a bad day?

[Andrew Muraco]

Kalin KOZHUHAROV wrote:

>Contgrats to the release team :-)
>
>But let me whine a bit, even a few KB:
>
>I just saw the GWN and the news about 2006.0 ...
>
>So reading at the release notes:
>
>
>>This is also the first release with the Gentoo Linux Installer
>>officially debuting on the x86 LiveCD, which will fully replace the
>>Universal and PackageCD set. The LiveCD also features a fully-fledged
>>Gnome environment.
>>
>>
>
>However the (normal) link to download it:
>http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml
>Shows:
>
>Gentoo 2006.0 Minimal install CD
>(around 125 megabytes depending on arch)
>alpha amd64 hppa ia64 ppc (32 bit) ppc64 sparc64 x86
>
>Gentoo 2006.0 Universal install CD
>(up to 600 megabytes depending on arch)
>alpha amd64 hppa ppc (32 bit) ppc (64 bit) sparc64
>
>Gentoo 2006.0 Package CD
>(up to 700 megabytes depending on arch)
>amd64 ppc (ppc) ppc (g4) ppc (64 bit - 32bit userland) ppc (64 bit - 64bit userland) sparc64
>
>So there are the Minimal, Universal and Package CDs...
>
>No word of a LiveCD...
>No link to a Universal CD for x86...
>
>Browsing trough the torrents, there is a x86-livecd-2006.0 and
>x86-installcd-2006.0 ...
>
>yes, I figured out that x86-installcd-2006.0 is the "Gentoo 2006.0
>Minimal install CD" for x86 or is it... will any n00b figure it out?
>
>And probably the properly(?) named livecd-amd64-installer-2006.0 and
>install-amd64-universal-2006.0 are here just to add some spice to the
>soup...
>Aha if I track all links in the bouncer, I start to understand...
>So, a link like that:
>http://bouncer.gentoo.org/?productgentoo-2006.0-universal&os=amd64
>is for the Gentoo 2006.0 Universal install CD for amd64 arch - cool!
>And it will bring you to install-amd64-universal-2006.0.iso!  So just
>s/gentoo/install/ and stuff the os=(.*) in the middle - a piece of cake.
>Aaah, however forget about the "Gentoo 2006.0 Package CD" - they have a
>naming on their own and its scheme is too difficult to explain in a long
>mail like that.
>
>Just to toss a random example:
>packages-ppc64-32ul-2006.0.iso comes for ppc (64 bit - 32bit userland)
>of a "Gentoo 2006.0 Package CD".  The correspondence between "Universal
>install CD" and "install-",  "Package CD" and "packageS" is a drill left
>to the reader :-)
>
>And we are talking consistency here, yes simple as that. There are
>probably(?) good reasons behind the naming of the iso files (the torrent
>list does not show the .iso, but who cares, once you stuff it
>in your client you'll see it is an iso, right!), but are they good
>enough for inconsistent naming? Or there is a scheme I cannot guess...
>
>They might be good reasons not to include the Universal instal CD (i.e.
>which one in the torrents? aha, probably after all there is no
>Universal install CD for x86, it is called a LiveCD??? or /me again
>wrong...) in the bouncer - sure that is the most wanted CD, but that eats
>the most bandwidth.
>Or is it because it was hard to write the XML of the page because it is a
>structured, clerly defined language and makes it difficult to use
>inconsistent naming of the iso files?? Well, if that was the reason...
>
>But who knows. I might be just having a bad morning transforming into a
>bad day...  I din't have enough time or will to help with the release, so I
>can only whine out loud. If you've read so far, fell free to light up
>your flamethrower, I should be able to stand it, or simply turn to ash.
>
>Kalin.
>
>
>
I second that there is a massive confusion of naming, and this needs to 
get sorted out (or atleast explained) Because I'm sure the mirrors will 
start getting slamed with people downloading 2006.0. Lets not waste 
anyone's bandwidth nor the mirrors by leading people to download the 
wrong thing.

Regards,
Tux
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