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On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 08:47, foser wrote: |
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> Actually it is. This is a perfect example of such a stupid flag that |
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> 99.9% of the people don't care about. Branding in Gentoo is not |
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> intrusive and minimal, especially in comparison to most other larger |
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> distros. |
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> And most interesting part -brought up in earlier discussions about this |
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> same triviality- is that no-one ever complained about the branding of |
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> grub which has been there for an eternity. Or what about the cursor pack |
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> coming with X (they're not on by default, but do take up space). Noone |
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> cared. Hell if zul had just added this to apache without notification I |
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> doubt it would've ever been discussed. |
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> Yeah we want to choice ad infinitum. I rather rip the 'branding' out |
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> than adding a USE flag for such a non-issue. |
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I tend to agree. It isn't like we're removing choice. It really is |
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quite simple to edit a line or two and change the theme for gdm or to |
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change the splash in gnome. I simply don't get it. I find branding |
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rather nice, since there has been a large amount of work done on some of |
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the Gentoo artwork out there. In fact, I would like to see more of |
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it... not to the point of being annoying or intrusive, but a couple |
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little logos in a few more places. |
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You guys act like we're taking away your right to "rm" the artwork. It |
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seems that things are starting to get to a point with Gentoo to where no |
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matter what us devs do, you have somebody out there who is going to |
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ridicule our every move. Quite honestly, we don't *want* those people. |
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We want people who are really out to help others, that is why we choose |
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to employ some sanity in what we allow in portage. If we listened to |
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everything that everyone said, we would have portage written in |
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python/perl/C/C++/java and it would have a |
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mysql/postgres/firebird/berkdb back-end, there would be 100,000 USE |
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flags, all with conflicting uses on different packages, there would be |
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thousands of broken ebuilds submitted by users and having no maintainers |
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to speak of, there would be hundreds of -cvs ebuilds, which would break |
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at any given moment when the upstream developers commited something to |
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their CVS tree, and there would be no management to keep things in line. |
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Yeah, that's the Gentoo "of the users" that I want to be a part of... |
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:rolleyes: |
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Normally, I leave this stuff alone, but it is just getting really old to |
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hear the same busted arguments over and over and over again, and I |
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haven't even been with Gentoo as a developer for a year. |
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I can understand the frustrations that users sometimes get due to the |
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appearance of lack of movement of the Gentoo development team, but I |
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honestly think that most people simply don't realize just how much work |
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can go into development. Not to mention the fact that every last one of |
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us do this as volunteers. This is not our job. We do not get paid. |
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Chris Gianelloni |
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