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> OK, I've seen this mentioned several times, but never with an explanation |
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> of how to do it, without either causing issues for the one segment, or |
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> holding up keywording perfectly working packages on another segment. |
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> Perhaps it can be done, please explain how if so. |
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Keep in mind that the *stable* trees of x86 and amd64 are actually |
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pretty close to the same versions anyway, I just ran gmsoft's imlate |
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script for amd64 vs. x86 keywords: |
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Package Name amd64 x86 |
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| 12 |
app-accessibility/gnome-speech 0.3.6 0.3.7-r1 |
| 13 |
app-accessibility/gok 1.0.3 1.0.5 |
| 14 |
app-accessibility/java-access-bridge 1.4.2 1.4.5-r1 |
| 15 |
app-arch/arj 3.10.21 3.10g |
| 16 |
app-crypt/gringotts 1.2.8 1.2.8-r1 |
| 17 |
app-doc/quanta-docs 20030405 20041123 |
| 18 |
app-editors/gedit 2.10.3 2.10.3-r1 |
| 19 |
app-editors/kile 1.7.1 1.8.1-r1 |
| 20 |
app-editors/mlview 0.6.3 0.8 |
| 21 |
app-emacs/nxml-mode 20040910 20041004 |
| 22 |
app-emulation/spim 6.5-r1 7.0 |
| 23 |
app-i18n/im-ja 1.3-r1 1.4 |
| 24 |
app-i18n/koffice-i18n 1.3.5 1.4.1 |
| 25 |
app-i18n/manpages-es 1.28 1.55 |
| 26 |
app-i18n/scim 1.2.2 1.4.1 |
| 27 |
app-i18n/skk-jisyo-cdb 200410 200504 |
| 28 |
app-i18n/uim 0.4.5.1 0.4.7.1-r2 |
| 29 |
app-laptop/tpctl 4.8 4.16 |
| 30 |
app-misc/jitac 0.2.0 0.2.0-r1 |
| 31 |
app-misc/mime-types 2 3 |
| 32 |
app-misc/muttprint 0.72a 0.72d |
| 33 |
app-office/koffice 1.3.5-r2 1.4.1 |
| 34 |
app-portage/splat 0.07 0.08 |
| 35 |
app-shells/zsh 4.2.4 4.2.5 |
| 36 |
app-text/convmv 1.05 1.08 |
| 37 |
app-text/docbook-dsssl-stylesheets 1.77-r2 1.79 |
| 38 |
app-text/docbook-sgml-dtd 4.2-r2 4.4 |
| 39 |
app-text/docbook-sgml-utils 0.6.12 0.6.14 |
| 40 |
app-text/docbook-xml-dtd 4.3 4.4 |
| 41 |
app-text/docbook-xml-simple-dtd 4.1.2.4 4.1.2.4-r2 |
| 42 |
app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets 1.66.1 1.68.1-r1 |
| 43 |
app-text/enchant 1.1.5 1.1.6 |
| 44 |
app-text/epstool 3.06 3.08 |
| 45 |
app-text/estraier 1.2.25 1.2.26 |
| 46 |
app-text/gnome-doc-utils 0.2.0 0.2.1 |
| 47 |
app-text/gnome-spell 1.0.5-r2 1.0.6 |
| 48 |
app-text/hd2u 0.9.2 1.0.0 |
| 49 |
app-text/libwpd 0.7.1 0.7.2 |
| 50 |
app-text/sablotron 1.0 1.0.1 |
| 51 |
app-text/scrollkeeper 0.3.14 0.3.14-r1 |
| 52 |
dev-cpp/libxmlpp 2.8.0-r2 2.10.0-r1 |
| 53 |
dev-db/pgpool 2.5.2 2.6.2 |
| 54 |
dev-db/pygresql 3.6.1 3.6.2 |
| 55 |
dev-db/qdbm 1.8.17 1.8.30 |
| 56 |
dev-db/rekall 2.2.3-r1 2.2.4 |
| 57 |
dev-db/unixODBC 2.2.6 2.2.11-r1 |
| 58 |
dev-java/adaptx 0.9.13_p20041105 |
| 59 |
0.9.13_p20041105-r1 |
| 60 |
dev-java/cryptix-jce-bin 20030217 20040825 |
| 61 |
dev-java/ecs 1.4.1-r1 1.4.2 |
| 62 |
dev-java/edtftpj 1.4.4 1.4.8 |
| 63 |
dev-java/fscript 1.14 1.15 |
| 64 |
dev-java/gnu-jaxp 1.0_beta1-r1 1.3 |
| 65 |
dev-java/gnu-regexp 1.1.4 1.1.4-r1 |
| 66 |
dev-java/itext 1.2.3 1.3 |
| 67 |
dev-java/javolution 2.2.0 3.2.4 |
| 68 |
dev-java/jcommon 0.9.7 0.9.7-r1 |
| 69 |
dev-java/jdbc-mysql 3.0.16 3.0.17 |
| 70 |
dev-java/jdbc2-postgresql 7.3 7.4 |
| 71 |
dev-java/jdom 1.0_beta10-r3 1.0 |
| 72 |
dev-java/jmp 0.46 0.47 |
| 73 |
dev-java/jscience 1.0.3 1.0.4 |
| 74 |
dev-java/lucene 1.4.1 1.4.3 |
| 75 |
dev-java/mockobjects 0.09 0.09-r1 |
| 76 |
dev-java/rhino 1.5.5-r1 1.6.1-r1 |
| 77 |
dev-java/saxon-bin 8.0b 8.4b |
| 78 |
dev-java/xdoclet 1.2.1 1.2.2 |
| 79 |
dev-libs/atk 1.9.1 1.10.1 |
| 80 |
dev-libs/bglibs 1.017 1.019-r1 |
| 81 |
dev-libs/dbh 1.0.20 1.0.24 |
| 82 |
dev-libs/dietlibc 0.25 0.28 |
| 83 |
dev-libs/dvacm4 0.3.5 0.3.5-r1 |
| 84 |
dev-libs/glib 2.6.4 2.6.5 |
| 85 |
dev-libs/http-fetcher 1.0.3 1.1.0 |
| 86 |
dev-libs/libdaemon 0.7 0.8 |
| 87 |
dev-libs/libksba 0.4.7 0.9.11 |
| 88 |
dev-libs/libpqxx 2.4.2 2.5.1 |
| 89 |
dev-libs/libxslt 1.1.14 1.1.14-r2 |
| 90 |
dev-libs/openobex 1.0.0 1.0.1 |
| 91 |
dev-libs/xerces-c 2.6.0 2.6.0-r1 |
| 92 |
dev-libs/yaz 2.0.8 2.1.8-r1 |
| 93 |
dev-perl/Apache-Test 1.15 1.23 |
| 94 |
dev-perl/AppConfig 1.56-r1 1.56-r2 |
| 95 |
dev-perl/Authen-SASL 2.04 2.09 |
| 96 |
dev-perl/Class-Autouse 1.12 1.17 |
| 97 |
dev-perl/Class-Default 1.0 1.1 |
| 98 |
dev-perl/Crypt-OpenSSL-RSA 0.19 0.21 |
| 99 |
dev-perl/Crypt-SSLeay 0.49 0.51 |
| 100 |
dev-perl/DBD-Pg 1.22 1.43 |
| 101 |
dev-perl/Devel-StackTrace 1.03 1.11 |
| 102 |
dev-perl/Digest-MD4 1.3 1.5 |
| 103 |
dev-perl/Digest-SHA1 2.07 2.10 |
| 104 |
dev-perl/Exception-Class 1.14-r1 1.21 |
| 105 |
dev-perl/ExtUtils-CBuilder 0.05 0.12 |
| 106 |
dev-perl/Filter 1.29 1.30 |
| 107 |
dev-perl/GD 2.18 2.23 |
| 108 |
dev-perl/HTML-LinkExtractor 0.12.1 0.13 |
| 109 |
dev-perl/HTML-Parser 3.36-r1 3.45 |
| 110 |
dev-perl/HTML-Template 2.6-r1 2.7 |
| 111 |
dev-perl/HTML-Tree 3.17 3.18 |
| 112 |
dev-perl/Locale-PO 0.12 0.14 |
| 113 |
dev-perl/Net-DNS 0.48 0.49 |
| 114 |
dev-perl/Net-RawIP 0.1 0.2 |
| 115 |
dev-perl/POE 0.26 0.30.09 |
| 116 |
dev-perl/Params-Validate 0.72 0.76 |
| 117 |
dev-perl/Template-Toolkit 2.09 2.14 |
| 118 |
dev-perl/WWW-Mechanize 1.04 1.12 |
| 119 |
dev-perl/XML-DT 0.32 0.37 |
| 120 |
dev-perl/XML-LibXSLT 1.53 1.57 |
| 121 |
dev-perl/XML-Sablot 0.90-r1 0.98 |
| 122 |
dev-perl/XML-Twig 3.15-r1 3.17 |
| 123 |
dev-perl/crypt-random 1.13 1.25 |
| 124 |
dev-perl/gnome2-wnck 0.04-r1 0.10 |
| 125 |
dev-perl/gtk-perl 0.7008-r11 0.7009-r2 |
| 126 |
dev-perl/libintl-perl 1.10 1.11 |
| 127 |
dev-perl/libxml-perl 0.07-r2 0.08 |
| 128 |
dev-perl/log-dispatch 2.08 2.10 |
| 129 |
dev-perl/math-pari 2.010500-r1 2.010603 |
| 130 |
dev-perl/perl-ldap 0.31 0.33 |
| 131 |
dev-php/PECL-apc 2.0.4 3.0.6 |
| 132 |
dev-php/adodb 4.55 4.64 |
| 133 |
dev-python/docutils 0.3.3-r1 0.3.5 |
| 134 |
dev-python/fpconst 0.6.0 0.7.1 |
| 135 |
dev-python/geoip-python 0.2.0 1.2.0 |
| 136 |
dev-python/gnuplot-py 1.6 1.7 |
| 137 |
dev-python/logilab-common 0.5.0 0.9.3 |
| 138 |
dev-python/mysql-python 1.0.0 1.2.0 |
| 139 |
dev-python/pycrypto 1.9_alpha6 2.0-r1 |
| 140 |
dev-python/pycurl 7.13.1 7.13.2 |
| 141 |
dev-python/pygame 1.6 1.6.2 |
| 142 |
dev-python/pysqlite 0.5.1 1.0.1 |
| 143 |
dev-python/wxpython 2.4.2.4 2.4.2.4-r2 |
| 144 |
dev-ruby/ruby-opengl 0.32c 0.32d |
| 145 |
dev-util/desktop-file-utils 0.9 0.10 |
| 146 |
dev-util/devhelp 0.9.3 0.10 |
| 147 |
dev-util/gob 2.0.9 2.0.12 |
| 148 |
dev-util/intltool 0.31.2 0.33 |
| 149 |
dev-util/kdevelop 3.1.2 3.2.1-r1 |
| 150 |
dev-util/libconf 0.39.21 0.40.00 |
| 151 |
dev-util/monotone 0.18 0.19 |
| 152 |
dev-util/source-highlight 1.11-r2 2.0 |
| 153 |
games-board/crafty 19.8 19.20 |
| 154 |
games-emulation/xmame 0.83.1 0.99-r1 |
| 155 |
games-emulation/xmess 0.83.1 0.99-r1 |
| 156 |
games-util/qstat 2.7 2.8 |
| 157 |
games-util/xqf 1.0.2 1.0.3 |
| 158 |
gnome-base/control-center 2.10.1-r1 2.10.2 |
| 159 |
gnome-base/gail 1.8.3 1.8.4 |
| 160 |
gnome-base/gconf 2.10.0 2.10.1-r1 |
| 161 |
gnome-base/gdm 2.6.0.9-r2 2.8.0.1-r1 |
| 162 |
gnome-base/gnome 2.10.1 2.10.2 |
| 163 |
gnome-base/gnome-desktop 2.10.1 2.10.2 |
| 164 |
gnome-base/gnome-keyring 0.4.2 0.4.3 |
| 165 |
gnome-base/gnome-menus 2.10.1 2.10.2-r1 |
| 166 |
gnome-base/gnome-session 2.10.0 2.10.0-r3 |
| 167 |
gnome-base/gnome-volume-manager 1.2.1 1.2.2 |
| 168 |
gnome-base/libbonobo 2.8.1 2.10.0 |
| 169 |
gnome-base/libbonoboui 2.8.1 2.10.0 |
| 170 |
gnome-base/libgnome 2.10.0 2.10.1-r1 |
| 171 |
gnome-base/libgnomecanvas 2.10.0 2.10.2 |
| 172 |
gnome-base/libgnomeui 2.10.0 2.10.1 |
| 173 |
gnome-base/libgtop 2.10.1 2.10.2 |
| 174 |
gnome-extra/at-spi 1.6.3 1.6.4 |
| 175 |
gnome-extra/libgda 1.0.3 1.2.2 |
| 176 |
gnome-extra/libgnomedb 1.0.4 1.2.2 |
| 177 |
gnome-extra/libgsf 1.12.0 1.12.1 |
| 178 |
gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner 2.10.1 2.10.2 |
| 179 |
gnustep-base/gnustep-back-art 0.9.4-r1 0.9.5 |
| 180 |
gnustep-base/gnustep-base 1.10.1-r1 1.10.3 |
| 181 |
gnustep-base/gnustep-env 0.1.5 0.1.6-r1 |
| 182 |
gnustep-base/gnustep-gui 0.9.4 0.9.5 |
| 183 |
mail-filter/amavisd-new 2.2.1-r2 2.3.2 |
| 184 |
mail-filter/razor 2.74 2.77 |
| 185 |
media-fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera 1.10-r2 1.10-r3 |
| 186 |
media-gfx/gimp 2.2.6-r1 2.2.8-r1 |
| 187 |
media-gfx/gphoto2 2.1.4 2.1.5 |
| 188 |
media-gfx/graphviz 1.10 1.16 |
| 189 |
media-gfx/gthumb 2.6.3 2.6.5 |
| 190 |
media-gfx/kst 0.97 1.1.0 |
| 191 |
media-gfx/splashutils 1.1.9.7 1.1.9.8 |
| 192 |
media-libs/adplug 1.5 1.5.1 |
| 193 |
media-libs/compface 1.4 1.5.1 |
| 194 |
media-libs/gst-plugins 0.8.8-r2 0.8.10 |
| 195 |
media-libs/gstreamer 0.8.9-r3 0.8.10 |
| 196 |
media-libs/libmng 1.0.5 1.0.8-r1 |
| 197 |
media-libs/libnjb 1.2 2.2 |
| 198 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-a52dec 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 199 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 200 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-cdparanoia 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 201 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-dv 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 202 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-dvdread 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 203 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-esd 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 204 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-faac 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 205 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-faad 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 206 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-flac 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 207 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-gnomevfs 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 208 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-jpeg 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 209 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-lame 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 210 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-libpng 0.8.8-r1 0.8.10 |
| 211 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-mad 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 212 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-mpeg2dec 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 213 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-ogg 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 214 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-oss 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 215 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-pango 0.8.8-r1 0.8.10 |
| 216 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-raw1394 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 217 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-shout2 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 218 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-speex 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 219 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-theora 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 220 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-v4l 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 221 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-vorbis 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 222 |
media-plugins/gst-plugins-xvideo 0.8.8 0.8.10 |
| 223 |
media-sound/edna 0.5-r3 0.5-r4 |
| 224 |
media-sound/esound 0.2.34 0.2.36-r1 |
| 225 |
media-sound/gnomad 2.5.0 2.8.0 |
| 226 |
media-sound/musepack-tools 1.15u 1.15v |
| 227 |
media-tv/tvtime 0.9.12 0.9.15 |
| 228 |
media-tv/xmltv 0.5.34 0.5.37-r1 |
| 229 |
media-video/totem 1.0.2-r1 1.0.4 |
| 230 |
net-analyzer/rrdtool 1.0.49 1.2.6-r1 |
| 231 |
net-dialup/cutecom 0.12.0 0.13.1 |
| 232 |
net-dialup/ppp 2.4.2-r10 2.4.2-r12 |
| 233 |
net-dns/pdnsd 1.1.10 1.2.2 |
| 234 |
net-im/micq 0.5.0.1 0.5.0.3 |
| 235 |
net-im/silc-toolkit 0.9.12-r3 1.0 |
| 236 |
net-im/sim 0.8.3 0.9.3-r2 |
| 237 |
net-libs/libsoup 2.2.3 2.2.3-r1 |
| 238 |
net-libs/wvstreams 4.0.1-r2 4.0.2 |
| 239 |
net-mail/getmail 4.3.6 4.3.11 |
| 240 |
net-mail/gotmail 0.8.2-r1 0.8.4 |
| 241 |
net-misc/bridge-utils 1.0.6-r2 1.0.6-r3 |
| 242 |
net-misc/putty 0.57 0.58 |
| 243 |
net-misc/tightvnc 1.2.9-r1 1.3_alpha5 |
| 244 |
net-nds/jxplorer 3.1_rc4 3.1 |
| 245 |
net-wireless/irda-utils 0.9.16 0.9.16-r1 |
| 246 |
perl-core/ExtUtils-MakeMaker 6.20 6.21 |
| 247 |
perl-core/File-Spec 0.87 3.06 |
| 248 |
perl-core/digest-base 1.05 1.10 |
| 249 |
sys-apps/i2c 2.8.7 2.9.1 |
| 250 |
sys-apps/ifplugd 0.26-r1 0.28 |
| 251 |
sys-apps/pcmcia-cs 3.2.7-r3 3.2.8-r2 |
| 252 |
sys-cluster/lam-mpi 7.0.4 7.0.6 |
| 253 |
sys-fs/ntfsprogs 1.9.4 1.11.1-r1 |
| 254 |
sys-power/acpid 1.0.2-r2 1.0.4-r2 |
| 255 |
www-client/epiphany 1.6.3 1.6.4 |
| 256 |
x11-libs/gtk+ 2.6.7 2.6.8 |
| 257 |
x11-libs/libdockapp 0.5.0-r1 0.6.0 |
| 258 |
x11-libs/libwnck 2.10.0 2.10.3 |
| 259 |
x11-libs/pango 1.8.1 1.8.1-r1 |
| 260 |
x11-libs/wxGTK 2.4.2-r3 2.6.1 |
| 261 |
x11-plugins/desklet-starterbar 0.22.1 0.31.3-r1 |
| 262 |
x11-plugins/wmacpi 1.99_p7 2.1_rc1 |
| 263 |
x11-plugins/wmbiff 0.4.25 0.4.25-r1 |
| 264 |
x11-plugins/wmcoincoin 2.5.0c 2.5.0g |
| 265 |
x11-plugins/wmdrawer 0.10.5 0.10.5-r1 |
| 266 |
x11-plugins/wmfishtime 1.23-r2 1.24 |
| 267 |
x11-plugins/wmmon 1.0_beta2-r2 1.0_beta2-r3 |
| 268 |
x11-plugins/wmnd 0.4.11 0.4.11-r1 |
| 269 |
x11-plugins/wmpower 0.4.1 0.4.2 |
| 270 |
x11-plugins/wmtimer 2.4 2.9.2 |
| 271 |
x11-plugins/wmxmms 0.1.4 0.1.4-r1 |
| 272 |
x11-terms/mrxvt 0.4.0-r1 0.4.1 |
| 273 |
x11-terms/rxvt-unicode 4.0 5.3 |
| 274 |
x11-themes/gnome-themes 2.10.1 2.10.2 |
| 275 |
x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme 0.5 0.8 |
| 276 |
x11-wm/metacity 2.10.1 2.10.3 |
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A total of 264 ebuilds seems outaded on amd64 |
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|
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Yes, there are a lot of "outdated" ebuilds on amd64, but practically all |
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of those are because the "maintainer arch" is x86, so x86 gets bumped |
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first. Then, it is the amd64 team's responsibility to bump up their |
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stable versions to match if they so choose. Notice that for almost |
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everything, amd64 is barely behind x86...just a minor version |
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number/revision or two at most. |
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> No offense intended, but as a user, I /like/ to actually know that a |
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> package keyworded for my arch (segment) is known to work on it in full |
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> (IMHO) uncrippled amd64 form, not in some (IMHO) "crippled 32-bit special |
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> case". If we went the other way and removed x86 keywording from everything |
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> that failed in 64-bit mode, including all 32-bit only codecs and the like, |
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> x86(32) arch(segment) folks would rightly be wailing in protest. |
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I think you are pretty confused and don't know what we're talking about |
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at all. I'm not suggesting that amd64 folks keyword stuff and just |
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assume it works on x86, or vice versa. It is pretty silly to even think |
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that would ever be the case. If package maintainers coordinate closely |
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with the amd64 team (which is growing quite large itself), they could |
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easily work out the QA and non-working stuff well before it ever goes |
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into the stable tree. Also keep in mind that ~arch keywords mean that |
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an ebuild is in testing, so it is quite possible there will be broken |
| 302 |
stuff floating around there. If you are worried about your ~amd64 or |
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~x86 tree breaking, you shouldn't be using them anyway. |
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|
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> Again, no offense intended, but unless you have some magic way to fix that |
| 306 |
> situation, perhaps the MIPS devs and users are willing to live with that |
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> problem on MIPS, but neither x86(32) users nor amd64 users (and by this |
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> I'm including devs, which are obviously users as well) are interested in |
| 309 |
> being saddled with an unnecessary problem, when the current situation |
| 310 |
> avoids it, or I expect the amd64 keyword would have never been added. |
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We don't "live with that problem on MIPS" because it doesn't exist. If |
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something doesn't work in one spot, we dont' stable keyword it...simple |
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as that. Also keep in mind that for some stuff, we don't have to test |
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on both. For example, we have no supported little endian machines that |
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are capable of running X, therefore, we don't care about testing X |
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there. See how it works? |
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-Steve |
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