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From: "Anthony G. Basile" <blueness@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:41:35
Message-Id: 5419BA5D.2050607@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3 by Samuli Suominen
1 On 09/17/14 10:13, Samuli Suominen wrote:
2 > On 17/09/14 16:29, Alan McKinnon wrote:
3 >> On 17/09/2014 14:49, Aaron W. Swenson wrote:
4 >>> On 2014-09-17 14:20, vivo75@×××××.com wrote:
5 >>>> Il 17/09/2014 14:09, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto ha scritto:
6 >>>>> On Wed, 17 Sep 2014, Luca Barbato wrote:
7 >>>>>
8 >>>>>> The bc utility is part of the posix tools and it might be used to build
9 >>>>>> linux among the other stuff.
10 >>>>> Luca,
11 >>>>>
12 >>>>> bc is not in the system set and is a dependency of the kernel or any
13 >>>>> other package that needs it, so why do we need to include a package
14 >>>>> that takes ~20 seconds to build?
15 >>>> Most people don't use the ebuild for the kernel
16 >>> That's a rather outrageous and difficult to substantiate claim. Given
17 >>> what I've seen in the forums and on IRC, it would appear the reverse
18 >>> is true; most people use the ebuild for the kernel.
19 >>>
20 >>> I wouldn't consider people who deviate from the supported methods as
21 >>> our concern. If you're smart enough to do that and want to make your
22 >>> own path, you're smart enough to emerge bc.
23 >>>
24 >> Agreed. I've been on -user for 10+ years and only a very few fetch their
25 >> kernels directly from upstream. The vast majority of users who have
26 >> described how they do it simply emerge one of the source packages just
27 >> like the handbook says to do.
28 >>
29 >> There's an even split between genkernel users and those who make
30 >> menuconfig (100% unscientific survey taken from my brain and nowhere else)
31 >>
32 >>
33 >>
34 > I've never used gentoo-sources in my life, and always fetched sources by
35 > hand from kernel.org,
36 > but, at the same time, I find it's 100% my own responsibility to cover
37 > any fallout from that,
38 > including manually emerging required dependencies.
39 >
40 > - Samuli
41 >
42 I agree. Anyone is free to build and install anything without the
43 ebuild, but then they're on their own.
44
45 Also, who says we're building a linux kernel with our stage3s? I may
46 want on just as a chroot or container, or run it on a non-linux kernel.
47
48 --
49 Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D.
50 Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened]
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