Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

[Marc Schiffbauer]

* Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 19:53 Uhr:
> On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> > * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
> > > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > > > Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
> > > > > /bin/systemctl
> > > > > 	libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
> > > >
> > > > Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should really be
> > > > called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"...
> > >
> > > You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for
> > > system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash.
> > > Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to boot
> > > without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus.
> >
> > If this was true, we will soon have problems with linux systems that
> > windows had in 1995.
> >
> > IMO a system should *always* be bootable without that "high level"
> > stuff. And by bootable I mean that you can get a root prompt at
> > least.
>
> d-bus is not high-level stuff... For example, you can't use bluetooth
> without d-bus. Even Android has it..

And you need bluetooth to boot your stable datacenter server
systems?

> That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a "UI"
> tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it to
> boot.

Yeah right. Having dbus for bluetooth is much more important than
having a shell.

Please remember that there are *way* more server systems running linux 
without any graphical desktop at all than desktop systems.

-Marc
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