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From: Daniel Ostrow <dostrow@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o, dostrow@g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Revisiting GLEP 19
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:51:16
Message-Id: 40FE121B.3040206@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Revisiting GLEP 19 by Barry Shaw
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6 Having been a Network Engineer (at 3 different companies) for most of my
7 professional career so I feel relatively confident that I have a good
8 picture of what is needed for GLEP 19 to work from the outside
9 perspective, how it is implemented is another story.
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11 Most of the sys admins I have worked with belong to 2 schools, #1 is fix
12 security issues only and #2 is fix security issues and bugs. Those who
13 belong to school #1 generally fix bugs when and only when they directly
14 affect the operation of the company and then it is a highly scheduled
15 and highly localized event. Those belonging to school #2 usually have
16 wider maintenance windows built into their environments so that they can
17 achieve a more sweeping update. As such I believe that it is very
18 important to delineate weather a package is being updated in the "stable
19 tree" for security reasons or to fix a bug, and the changelog for the
20 package should have detailed information regarding what the security
21 vulnerability/bug is so that sys admins can pick and choose if need be.
22 So sys admins also like to be able to do it in one motion so there would
23 also have to be a way to "emerge security" and/or "emerge bugfix" the
24 same way that we have a emerge world/system now.
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26 To that end in addition to having a tree that only gets security/bugfix
27 updates (and yes this can mean whole new versions if an important bugfix
28 is contained therein) we would need to expand on the stable keyword
29 concept to allow for the separation of security and bug related updates.
30 ~ This is all contingent on us adopting this methodology which I am by no
31 means tied to, but I believe that any methodology needs to accommodate
32 this functionality.
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34 As for retention, all 3 of the companies that I worked for did triannual
35 updates on the core system of their servers so I think 3 years is a safe
36 bet, where we are going to get the man power to support that is another
37 question entirely.
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39 I'll probably think of more later, this is it for now.
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41 Thanks,
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43 Daniel Ostrow
44 dotrow@g.o
45 Operational Lead
46 Gentoo/macos
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Revisiting GLEP 19 Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o>