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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:14:13
Message-Id: pan$eebab$b2274344$2110184d$
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy by Michael Orlitzky
1 Michael Orlitzky posted on Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:50:30 -0500 as excerpted:
3 > As I mentioned in a reply to William, right now I can decide when stuff
4 > is broken and keyword the newer versions. The proposal is to force me
5 > onto the new versions, which is strictly worse from my perspective.
7 Force??
9 As I discovered when gentoo/kde "forced" me into taking semantic-desktop
10 up the <beep> with early kde 4.11, there's rather less "force" on gentoo
11 than many realize, certainly as long as upstream is still supporting the
12 options, anyway, one of the reasons I run gentoo.[1] =:^)
14 Every once in awhile I drag an ebuild out of /var/db/pkg/ to put in my
15 overlay, because the ~arch I normally run has moved on and my current
16 version is gone, but the new version is broken (or simply hugely changed
17 and I don't have time to reconfigure ATM), while the stab?le version is
18 just that, stale.
20 Of course the kde-sunset overlay is perhaps the ultimate example of that.
22 Yes, ultimately there will eventually be some "forcing" as in-tree deps
23 change and keeping the old/overlaid version building and running becomes
24 more of an issue over time, but it'll be a gradual process over a number
25 of years, and the gentooer remains free to pick his pain point and do the
26 migration in his own time, which at minimum, makes it a substantially
27 softer "force" than would be the case on /most/ distributions.
29 ---
30 [1] In the kde/semantic-desktop case, I diffed package versions with and
31 without the flag and figured out which changes were related to it and
32 which not, creating my own ebuild patches, which I dropped in a tree
33 under /etc/portage/patches.ebuild/, similar to the /etc/portage/patches/
34 tree. I then hacked up a script to apply those ebuild patches and re-
35 manifest, and added that step to my sync-script. This was all possible,
36 and actually surprisingly easy, because (1) upstream kde still supports
37 the configure options and AFAIK intends to thru all of kde4, and (2)
38 gentoo/kde had the options available at one point, so all I had to do was
39 diff the before and after, and reverse the effect, hard-coding the flag
40 off, where gentoo/kde was was effectively hard-coding it on.
42 Fortunately, before 4.11 went stable, gentoo/kde decided to keep the
43 flags after all, and reintroduced them. So I didn't have to carry my own
44 patches for as long as I had feared I might. But regardless, their
45 "forcing" semantic-desktop on ~arch and overlay users didn't "force" /me/
46 to take it, because I'm an empowered gentooer and one way or another I
47 wasn't taking any such "forcing"! There efforts underway to do a user-
48 controlled kde-sunset overlay thing, possibly calling it kde-lite, too,
49 thus spreading the work around a bit, but fortunately that ultimately
50 wasn't needed. And if it had come to it, I was beginning to look at
51 other desktops too, as I had tried it previously and was done with kde
52 with semantic-desktop, period, but fortunately that migration didn't have
53 to happen either. =:^)
55 --
56 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
57 "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
58 and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman