Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum

[Sam Jorna (wraeth)]

On Friday, 14 February 2020 2:21:32 PM AEDT Matt Turner wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 4:12 AM Mike Pagano <mpagano@g.o> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 06:46:43PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 13 February 2020 5:40:46 AM AEDT Matt Turner wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM William Hubbs <williamh@g.o>
wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 06:54:19PM +1100, Sam Jorna (wraeth) wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, 10 February 2020 7:55:01 AM AEDT Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sun, 2020-02-09 at 20:38 +0000, Michael 'veremitz' Everitt
wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hrm, pardon my ignorance, but do 'we' really need to review
> > > > > > > > 232
> > > > > > > > lines of
> > > > > > > > Manifest?!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pardon mine but do 'we' really need to read your useless
> > > > > > > comments
> > > > > > > everywhere, all the time and just get irritated for no benefit
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > Gentoo?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps I'm the one being ignorant here, but why are we lambasting
> > > > > > someone for seeking clarification about an unusual inclusion on a
> > > > > > review thread?>
> > > > >
> > > > > I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't let this go by without
> > > > > commenting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sam is correct. Maybe the tone is a bit off, (and that is
> > > > > debatable),
> > > > > but this definitely can be seen as a legit question, regardless of
> > > > > other
> > > > > things Michael has posted.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately it's not about a single issue or email. It's a
> > > > consistent pattern that multiple people have asked him to rein in over
> > > > a long period. :(
> > >
> > > Without going into specifics, veremit and I have certainly had our
> > > 'differences of opinion' in the past; but I don't believe this is one
> > > of those occasions.
> > >
> > > Calling out bad actors (not saying veremit is one, I just mean in the
> > > general sense) is an unfortunate but important task, but call them out
> > > on bad behaviour, not for what appears to be an impassioned but
> > > otherwise unremarkable query.
> >
> > I agree with this 100 percent.  Not judging solely on the content of the
> > specific email in the thread does not allow people to grow and improve.
> > Are we all to be judged on our past behavior forever with no chance to
> > overcome past transgressions ?
>
> That's not what's going on.

Maybe not; but that's what appears is going on.

mpagano is absolutely correct that people need an opportunity to engage 
positively if they're expected to change their behaviour in a positive way. At 
the same time, however, chastising someone without an apparent transgression 
both reinforces negative behaviour (such as the subsequent mails on that sub-
thread) *and* gives anyone not intimately familiar with that particular case 
the impression that people are ridiculed because they asked a relevant 
question (since there's no other context).

In this instance, at least two people (myself included) have drawn an 
impression that led them to voice their concern in some way (I'm unsure if 
mpagano was voicing concern or just agreeing with the general concept). Maybe 
we're the only ones. Maybe not.

I understand that you or others may have had a history of issues dealing with 
someone, perhaps to the point where even seeing their name puts a damper on 
your day. I'm sure there are people who feel the same about me. But let bad 
actors dig their own hole to fall in, even if you're certain beyond the shadow 
of a doubt that they're sitting in a darkened lair, twirling their moustache 
and saying things like "my evil plan is coming to fruition!"; because lashing 
out at an unrelated list post just looks like you're being an asshole.

-- 
Sam Jorna (wraeth)
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