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On 09/06/14 08:41, Patrick Lauer wrote: |
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> On Friday 05 September 2014 12:34:11 William Hubbs wrote: |
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>> All, |
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>> there is a bug open requesting that we add sys-apps/iproute2 to the |
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>> system set [1]. Originally the request was to drop net-tools, but it has |
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>> become just adding iproute2. |
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> I wouldn't mind either option - net-tools has been deprecated for a decade, |
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> but if we still ship it as default it will be used. |
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> Some people seem to think that stage3 is bloated - last time I looked at it |
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> there was lots of really-not-needed stuff like two python interpreters. If you |
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> want to de-bloat work on that, the extra 150kB or whatever of iproute2 are so |
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> small that it's barely noticeable. |
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I'm not sure we can get rid of python2 and have only python3, but if |
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that's possible, absolutely punt it! The bloat I'm talking about |
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includes size, but more importantly, I'm concerned about cpu time. When |
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building on a minor arch where your CPU speed is 600 MHz and you only |
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have 256MB of ram (and lots of slow swap to help for monsters like |
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gcc-4.8), you feel the bloat in days of waiting. |
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> And by the same reasoning of "bloat" we should remove openssh ( and maybe even |
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> rsync ;) ) because it's not strictly needed - so maybe we want a "minimal" and |
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> a "useful" stage3 ? |
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This begs the question "useful for what"? We have competing criteria. |
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So one criterion is "a final stage in a catalyst run which can seed the |
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next round" and the other is "a stage from which any gentoo system can |
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be built." Both depend on the environment in which you are building, |
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eg. if you unpack a stage3 onto a partition, reboot, and then expect to |
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be able to rsync portage, then you need rsync in there, and maybe some |
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other stuff like wget or curl. Alternatively, I could build up my system |
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in a chroot in which I bind mount /usr/portage from the host, the way |
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catalyst does -- its a bit more complicated than that but you get the |
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idea. Then I don't need rsync. |
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So yeah, there is a slippery slope here, but having two packages that |
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achieve the same purpose is overstepping. The better analogy would be |
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having openssh and dropbear and then saying that the latter is only |
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150kB, so let's just add it. |
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> Have fun, |
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> Patrick |
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Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D. |
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