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Carlos Silva posted on Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:51:01 +0000 as excerpted: |
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> gentoo *running* in a box without it having network connection |
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> [is AFAIK] not something any John Doe would do. Offline |
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> installations and "runtimes" are for geeks that use linux for a long |
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> time and know how the system work and have the knowledge to build a |
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> stage4 or chroot and move it to another box. It's not something |
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> technically difficult for us "geeks", but would take ages for some |
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> non-geek to do it. |
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That sounds an awful lot like how most distro users out there would |
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characterize gentoo in general... |
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The point being, as said many times before, gentoo isn't a hand-holding |
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distro. We provide the tools and often the documentation, but at some |
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point it's up to the user, and gentoo is one of the few distros that |
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seems to both recognize and respect that line, making it reasonably easy |
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for a user to do whatever they want, including breaking something and |
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keeping the pieces if that's the ultimate end result of what they want... |
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FWIW, that's one of the reasons a lot of us ARE gentooers. =:^) |
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> The bottom line here is, does @system have to have |
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> virtual/network-provider? |
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> - Yes -> Make it RDEPEND; |
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> - No -> don't care and just set some use flags. |
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> The question above is more a political one than technical. |
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Agreed. |
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FWIW, either a stdnet/oldnet default-use in openrc, or a virtual/net in |
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@system, sounds appropriate to me. I do believe that if oldnet is split |
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out, however, it only makes sense to split out newnet as well. |
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Otherwise, people are likely to favor newnet in ordered to avoid another |
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package, when the gentoo default has always been oldnet, and this |
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proposal isn't about changing that. |
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Meanwhile, FTR, I run both USE=-* and an entirely negated @system (no |
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packages in @system at all, as I've /etc/portage/profile/packages-ed them |
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away!), but AM running oldnet here. So whatever the solution ends up |
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being, I almost certainly have some config changes to deal with coming |
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up. But that's precisely why I'm subscribed here, to get a heads-up on |
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this sort of thing coming down the pike before I crash into it and GAME |
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OVER! |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |