Re: [gentoo-dev] open season on other-dev's packages -- policy change?

[Rick \\\"Zero_Chaos\\\" Farina]

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On 11/25/2012 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
> <zerochaos@g.o> wrote:
>>  If you horribly break my package, you may hear about it, but you
>> certainly won't get yelled at for fixing my bugs or bumping a package.
>
> While I think there is a balance to be found, keep in mind that you as
> the developer aren't the only person impacted if somebody breaks a
> package you maintain.  Perhaps your users would prefer that people
> with less experience with the package not fiddle with it.
The developer fiddling with it needs to be confident they know what they
are doing (or at least have discussed it with more experienced
developers) before they "fiddle" with my packages.  My open invitation
for help should not be mistaken for an open invitation to experiment
with my packages.
>
> If a package has a responsive maintainer, then pinging them isn't
> really much of a hurdle.  If the package doesn't have a responsive
> maintainer, then perhaps that should be fixed.
The problem is what of people like me, some weeks I'm very responsive
(seconds to minutes) while other times I'm away from a computer for the
entire week with no warning.  I don't want people waiting to fix
something easy because they are being polite to me.  As you said, what
of my users? Do they feel it's good to "wait a week" (something I hear
all the time) for a simple fix simply because no one could reach me?  I
think not.
>
> I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some way for maintainers to
> indicate when they're willing to allow others to touch packages
> without asking.  I'm just saying that this isn't purely a matter of
> maintainer preference, or territorialism.

There shouldn't need to be a way for maintainers to indicate they are
willing to allow others to touch packages without asking, in my opinion
this should be the norm.

Again, no one should be randomly experimenting with someone else's
packages without asking, but fixes for obvious or even non-obvious
issues should be WELCOMED by all devs.  If you have a bug on bugzie that
is more than a week old and it affects me, you can bet I will fix it and
the notification you get will be the one from me closing your bug.  If
you have an issue with that maybe you should fix your own bugs.

When I say things like that I've had other devs "threaten" to find and
file bugs in my packages and then fix those bugs without asking me.
Really? Pretty please! If you see something I've missed you are welcome
to 1.) file a bug 2.) fix the bug if I'm not (nearly) immediately
responsive to assist.  I think this practice (overall) will improve
Gentoo for our users, and at the end of the day that's the only thing
that matters, not my ego.

Thanks,
Zero

PS> If you need an explicit "you are permitted to touch my packages"
then here it is, signed with my gpg key and everything. Find my bugs,
fix my bugs, try really hard not to break things. Thanks for your help.
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