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Francesco Riosa posted on Mon, 15 Feb 2016 13:13:37 +0100 as excerpted: |
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> Neither this is totally true, or put another way, everybody which is NOT |
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> using systemd is using eudev (or some form of static /dev). |
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> So obviously this is totally relevant for people that don't use systemd. |
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Not really true either, as there remain various distros using busybox's |
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mdev, etc. However, it's /possibly/ true that most/all distros using |
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udev-devmgr-dropin functionality, but not systemd, are switching to |
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eudev. I'm not in a position to know on that, beyond the enumerated list |
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of those using eudev that was posted earlier in the thread. |
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> Also, why, why people using systemd ARE interested in this thread? |
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> You should not be interested at all. |
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Because many of those who are using systemd, including me, are never-the- |
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less interested in preserving an alternative init system, both for those |
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who choose to use something other than systemd, and because we value an |
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environment where the choice remains available, believing that choice is |
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healthy and ultimately strengthens most players including the dominant |
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player, systemd in this case. |
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In my particular case, I was one of the few users actually running and |
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testing the openrc-9999 live package for many years, and that testing |
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resulted in a number of bugs being reported and fixed before they hit |
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actual ~arch release users. I stand on that openrc gentoo-bugs record, |
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and while I'm now a systemd user, I still care about a viable and healthy |
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openrc project and ecosystem, including stand-alone udev, because while I |
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am *currently* a systemd user, I know well how time and real-life |
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occasionally throw unpredictable curveballs, and for all I know, I may |
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well end up back on openrc in a few years, myself. And if not me, than |
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someone else I'm trying to help on some mailing list or whatever. As |
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such, it's very much in my own interest to make sure openrc and its |
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ecosystem (including standalone udev-replacements) remains as viable and |
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healthy as possible. |
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As it happens, that was actually one of my big worries about switching to |
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systemd, myself, since I /was/ one of the only openrc-live testers for |
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some time, and I was a bit concerned about the possibility of nobody else |
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actually running it and catching/filing those early pre-release bugs. |
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But I did a bugsy search on openrc-9999, and it turned out in the last |
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year or two before I switched to systemd, others had begun filing |
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openrc-9999 bugs as well, and I was no longer the only filer popping up |
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in the bug searches. So it was that a big worry about the effects of my |
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switch on others still using openrc was put to rest, and I could |
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personally switch secure in the knowledge that others had filled my role |
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as openrc-live tester and bug-filer. =:^) |
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And it's with all that in mind that I've participated in this thread, |
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seriously believing that eudev is in fact the most logical and viable |
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default for stand-alone udev-drop-in functionality, tho I'd definitely |
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rest a bit easier if the documentation were better and if it wasn't so |
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much a primarily one-man project. |
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-- |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |
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