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From: William Hubbs <williamh@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users
Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 03:18:38
Message-Id: 20130502031819.GB20292@linux1
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users by Fabio Erculiani
1 On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 11:14:28PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
2 > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
3 > <phajdan.jr@g.o> wrote:
4 > > On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
5 > >
6 > > As far as I read the bug, Mike (vapier) is doing the right thing.
7 > > Distros doing lots of custom changes can only add more chaos to the picture.
8 >
9 > We are a distribution, we have our own goals, thus we change the code
10 > to better integrate with our ecosystem.
11 > That's part of the game. If we don't want to do that, we shouldn't be
12 > running a distro in the first place.
13 >
14 > >
15 > > Have you reached out to relevant upstreams? If they refuse to make
16 > > changes, that's a different story. So far I think it's reasonable to go
17 > > to upstreams first.
18 >
19 > For just a symlink swap and some file moves? (re: sysvinit)
20 > We don't need to bless upstream first for such small changes.
21
22 Like I've already said too, I don't see that we need to do this change.
23
24 Systemd is called /usr/lib/systemd/systemd (it should be
25 /lib/systemd/systemd), and sysvinit is called /sbin/init,, so I don't
26 see the need for moving init around and creating all of these symlinks.
27
28 I guess I'm not completely opposed to it, I just want you to convince me
29 that doing it has value. Where I am now is I feel like it adds
30 complexity for almost no gain.
31
32 William

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