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Gaarde wrote: |
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> Examples: |
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> Zope still using python 2.1 instead of 2.2... |
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> xcdroast using an older version of mkisofs... |
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> qt, kde-libs, gnome-libs, etc all using older versions of libpng... |
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> To me this is an issue with dependency calculations. Gentoo will blindly |
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> update a package regardless of what other packages depend on it. This |
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> solution works great for those who want to keep thier systems |
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> bleeding edge. |
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> However, some users are willing to make a sacrifice and go for |
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> less-bleeding |
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> edge. For those users, before mentioned pattern causes HUGH problems. |
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> The fix? In a word, sacrifice. Give the user a choice. Let the |
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> user decide |
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> example: Upgrading to mkisofs 1.15a21 will break xcdroast |
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> xcdroast needs mkisofs 1.15a20 |
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> cdrecord needs mkisofs 1.15a21 (it doesn't but this is an example) |
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This is exactly what I am concerned about, and why I posted about "Tagging releases" - and presumably what started the "Gentoo Branches" thread. The example may not be good, but the idea holds. |
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Regardless of if you like branches or not, there needs to be a way to lock a collective group of packages at a particular level where they all co-exist nicely. This is normally known as a "stable" release. The best and worst thing about Gentoo is that it is constantly changing - new ebuilds appearing all the time. I emerge rsync to update my portage tree in the hope of finding a fix to a broken ebuild that I want, and suddenly Im faced with new versions of things I already nailed down. |
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Using the =category/package parameters isnt good enough. Often 2 versions of a library wont co-exist (out of the box) - one may overwrite another, but a new ebuild for package x might require the new library, while another package requires the old. |
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Someone in the development team needs to seriously think about this problem. |
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And to the person (Andrew I think) who quoted the following from the gentoo site as a reason for not having release branches... |
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"*Portage allows you to set up Gentoo Linux the way you like it*..." |
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It doesnt. Just when I get it how I like it, it changes. |
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