Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users

[Michał Górny]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 17:21:40 +0200
Luca Barbato <lu_zero@g.o> wrote:

> On 05/21/2013 09:03 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> >> That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is
> >> pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems
> >> like a hack instead of something more robust. Why include systemd unit
> >> files (by default, with no systemd USE flag, thanks to the council...)
> >> on a system that's not using it? 154 files isn't negligible unless
> >> you're flippant with your system and don't care about bloat. Unused
> >> software sitting around *is* a waste of disk-space.
> >>
> >> Some people (like myself) came to Gentoo to avoid putting systemd on
> >> their systems and to make use of the great choice that Gentoo allows.
> >> This push to make systemd a "first level citizen" or whatever reeks of
> >> marketing. If there is desire among users for unit files, they can
> >> contact upstream or maintain their own set of unit files. It's not like
> >> they're hard to write.
> >>
> >
> > <amused long-term user chipping in>
> >
> > This is such a weak argument it's quite laughable.
> >
> > I don't like gnu info files. Neither me nor anyone I know can figure out
> > how to drive info. So, let's rip all the info files out of every
> > package; leaving the 3 users who do know info free to grab their copies
> > from upstream. I mean it's not like it's hard or anything, and info
> > files are easy to write.
>
> check the FEATURES variable and be surprise =) (from man make.conf)
>
>               nodoc  Do not install doc files (/usr/share/doc).
>
>               noinfo Do not install info pages.
>
>               noman  Do not install manpages.
>
> Adding a nounits norunscript and such might work and had been proposed.

Yet it's just redundant and a more specific form of INSTALL_MASK.
Without the ability to e.g. rebuild packages which were installing
given files.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny