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On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 11:08 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: |
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> Ah, sorry, that isn't quite what I meant. Rather I intended to point |
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> out that we should not be deluded into thinking that the changes |
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> required for Gentoo to be enterprise-ready are small. Some of the |
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> changes are surmountable, but each one could appear to necessitate, |
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> IMHO, a change at the core of Gentoo development. I would prefer for |
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> the solutions to be possible more transparently. |
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Yeah, the changes that do need to be made are not small I agree. I do |
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feel that for the most part they could be made without disrupting the |
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core of Gentoo. For example, there is no need to put a freeze on the |
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whole tree in the name of "enterprise stability" and screw everyone else |
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wanting bleeding edge packages, when you could snapshot the tree (like |
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you mention below) |
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> For example, one way a company could presently deploy Gentoo |
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<snip> |
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> In other words, a company can implement a Gentoo product lifecycle |
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> as a wrapper around the existing Gentoo development process. It is |
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> a lot of work for the company, and they'd better hire some bright |
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> sysadmins, but it would be possible. |
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> If there is an enterprise subproject formed in Gentoo, I'd like to see |
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> their methods be similar. Develop tools that make it easier to manage |
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> and maintain an enterprise deployment, without changing how Gentoo is |
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> currently developed. Without hoisting new expectations on the Gentoo |
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> developers, release process, etc. |
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GLEP 19 is pretty much right along these lines, and already has some |
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prototype/testing going on. :) |
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> I did not intend "hobbyist" to be disparaging. I think that the big |
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> companies (including HP, who has also donated tens of thousands of |
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> dollars of equipment btw) see a lot of potential in Gentoo. |
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Cool. I probably put too much personal feeling behind it. I don't |
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trust corporate distros anymore. I was in a situation where we got |
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royally screwed by RedHat, tried to work out a deal with them, and had |
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no luck. For us we got stuck in the whole "first one is free, then |
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you're hooked" game. |
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I'm not against paying for support and services (I think rhn is the |
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coolest thing since sliced bread, and worth some money), however, I do |
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not think that their prices are reasonable, especially when they ask you |
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to switch from free to paying six digits in the middle of a fiscal year |
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where you haven't budgeted for it. So, my desires for Gentoo to fit |
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better in the enterprise stem from not wanting to stick with a corporate |
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distro.. Kinda selfish, I know. :) |
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> Great! I think we are closer in our perspectives than it seems. |
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:) |
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Cheers, |
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-Corey |
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