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On Monday 03 April 2006 19:35, Aron Griffis wrote: |
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> I disagree with fast-tracking this to any official Gentoo |
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> documentation. |
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i never used the word "fast" ... where did it come from ? maybe from the |
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sweet behind of yours ? (you're going to be at LWE this year right ? |
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmm) |
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> > Be considerate. Your work will be used by other people, and you in |
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> > turn will depend on the work of others. Any decision you make will |
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> > affect users and colleagues, and we expect you to take those |
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> > consequences into account when making decisions. |
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> All of this is obvious, except for who is "we"? |
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the Gentoo community ? your peers and loved ones ? |
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> > Be respectful. The Gentoo community and its members treat one |
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> > another with respect. |
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> Odd to make this declarative statement when it isn't true. |
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this document now exists because this statement isnt true ... this is one part |
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of a solution imo |
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> > Everyone can make a valuable contribution to Gentoo. |
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> They can? Making this kind of feel-good blanket statement just |
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> detracts from the rest of this document. |
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how so ? one of the critiques we have is that one jackass can turn off |
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users/potential devs simply by their abrasive behavior. another critique is |
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that some of us (i am guilty of this as well) of being too "snobbish" in |
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terms of who can actually make useful contributions (generally if you have an |
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@gentoo.org, that somehow "qualifies" you while those who do not are just |
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meat). i recognize i'm a bit of a dick and i'm trying to change. |
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> > We may not always agree, but disagreement is no excuse for |
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> > poor behaviour and poor manners. We might all experience some |
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> > frustration now and then, but we cannot allow that frustration to |
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> > turn into a personal attacks. It's important to remember that |
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> > a community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not |
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> > a productive one. |
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> This should be shortened to say just what it means: Developers will |
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> have more fun, be more productive, and create a better distribution if |
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> we concentrate on the issues instead of resorting to personal attacks. |
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i sort of like the longer winded version better ... really this paragraph |
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shouldnt have to exist at all, but since it does, i like the version that |
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spells out each detail clearly. |
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> > We expect members of the Gentoo community to be |
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> > respectful when dealing with other contributors as well as with |
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> > people outside the Gentoo project, and with users of Gentoo. |
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> Again, who is "we"? |
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see previous comment |
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> > Be collaborative. Gentoo and Free Software are about collaboration |
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> > and working together. Collaboration reduces redundancy of work done |
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> > in the Free Software world, and improves the quality of the software |
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> > produced. You should aim to collaborate with other Gentoo |
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> > maintainers, as well as with the upstream community that is |
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> > interested in the work you do. Your work should be done |
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> > transparently and patches from Gentoo should be given back to the |
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> > community when they are made, not just when the distribution |
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> > releases. If you wish to work on new code for existing upstream |
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> > projects, at least keep those projects informed of your ideas and |
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> > progress. It may not be possible to get consensus from upstream or |
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> > even from your colleagues about the correct implementation of an |
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> > idea, so don't feel obliged to have that agreement before you begin, |
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> > but at least keep the outside world informed of your work, and |
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> > publish your work in a way that allows outsiders to test, discuss |
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> > and contribute to your efforts. |
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> This part makes sense, I think... though I don't see the point of |
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> codifying it except to "throw the book" at the next Paludis. Frankly |
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> I think Ciaran did nothing wrong to restrict distribution on a project |
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> he didn't feel was ready for public consumption. It has always seemed |
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> to me like the overreactions were the problem. |
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err, i dont see this interpretation at all ... how would this affect the |
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Paludis work ? in anything, it codifies the work as being even "more" valid |
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really though, this paragraph is not targeted at the Paludis project or Ciaran |
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in any way ... not quite sure where this thought of yours is coming from |
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(somewhere underneath that beautiful hair of yours i imagine) |
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> > When you disagree, consult others. Disagreements, both political and |
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> > technical, happen all the time and the Gentoo community is no |
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> > exception. The important goal is not to avoid disagreements or |
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> > differing views but to resolve them constructively. You should turn |
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> > to the community and to the community process to seek advice and to |
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> > resolve disagreements. We have the Council, Infra, Devrel and Team |
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> > Leaders all of which help you decide the right course for Gentoo. |
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> What do you mean by "turn to the community and to the community |
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> process"? I'm not sure what that entails. |
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we have a couple "standard" means of opening community discussion. irc, |
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e-mail lists, forums, you name it. |
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> And I'm really not sure I understand what the last sentence means. |
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the idea is to provide some good examples of resources you can query for |
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feedback ... perhaps tweak the sentence a little ? |
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> > Repeated disruptive behaviors will be viewed as a security and |
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> > stability threat to Gentoo. |
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> Classic switching to the passive voice when the actor wishes to be |
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> distanced from the action. |
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please consider the document without these disciplinary related paragraphs as |
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they belong elsewhere |
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-mike |
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