Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: removing the server profiles...

[Rick \\\"Zero_Chaos\\\" Farina]

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On 01/19/2013 12:05 PM, Duncan wrote:
> Ben de Groot posted on Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:47:58 +0800 as excerpted:
>
>> On 19 January 2013 18:26, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> People who do have printers can always enable [USE=cups] themselves.
>>>>
>>> Unless we plan on adding yet another profile for "normal" users I think
>>> this is really pushing it.
>>
>>> Yes, I'm sure some people don't own printers.  However, that figure has
>>> to be fairly low.
>>
>> I'm not so sure about that. The majority of my friends and colleagues
>> don't own a printer. When we do need to print something, it would be for
>> work, so we have it printed at work.
>
> I recently heard someone /else/ recommend no printer, pointing out that
> it was an additional expense without a lot of practical benefit for many,
> since ink is expensive, the cheap printers are fiddly and often break,
> and if you /really/ want something printed, it's easy enough to load it
> on a thumb-drive and take it to kinkos or the library (or as Ben
> suggests, work).
>
> I had come to that conclusion for myself some time ago and haven't had a
> printer in years... I won't do inkjet and I always seem to have something
> better to do with the money that'd buy a decent laser.  But it was still
> rather surprising to me, as like Rich, I'm from the generation where it
> was just assumed that if you had a computer, you had, and needed, a
> printer.  So to hear (it was a meatspace conversation, with "average
> folks", not geeks) someone ELSE say "take it to kinko's if you want to
> print something" was /indeed/ quite surprising/enlightening.

Removing cups from the default profile and putting it in the desktop
profile makes sense. I don't print from everything, but I often print
from things using the desktop profile.  If a user really doesn't want
cups they can always adjust their make.conf.  Let's not bikeshed on this
forever, we are only setting a sane default not removing the user's choice.

Honestly it can be as simple as "cups is default now and removing that
will break a lot of desktop users". So again, I vote for moving it to
the desktop profile, but not for removing it altogether as that would
break a lot of users.

- -Zero

>
> So yes, I suppose it really is a generational/cultural thing.  "The
> tablet generation" and "the smartphone generation" are rather more likely
> to find the idea of simply assuming that everyone with a computer/tablet/
> smartphone also has a bulky/balky printer...  rather quaint.
>

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