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From: marduk <marduk@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Cc: Alexander Mieland <dma147@×××××××××××××××××××.de>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Some important questions to the officals of www.gentoo.org
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:44:06
Message-Id: 1089503133.19784.22.camel@blackwidow
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Some important questions to the officals of www.gentoo.org by Alexander Mieland
1 On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 00:39 +0200, Alexander Mieland wrote:
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3 > that's because I've made enough experience with people who steals ideas.
4
5 But this is Linux/free software/whatever you call it. We're supposed to
6 be about open exchange of ideas, not trade secrets.
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8 > At this time, we are planning on it. We don't have something you could
9 > look at.
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11 Okay, this is where I really think you got it wrong. My understanding
12 is what really turns people on in the Linux/free software/whatever you
13 call it community is the product, not the idea. You seem to be thinking
14 like a corporate person. I know of a few projects in the free software
15 community that failed because a few persons had a good idea, but failed
16 to gain outside support because they didn't have the product to back it
17 up. Put your code where your mouth is and if the infrastructure group
18 finds it worthy and appropriate then it might become a .gentoo.org.
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20 But still I think you're going about it the wrong way. If you really
21 want to do something useful then just do it. It shouldn't matter
22 whether it's .gentoo.org worthy or not. When I started writing
23 packages.gentoo.org (fresh ebuilds) it was originally just to satisfy a
24 personal itch. I didn't see any way to tell when a new package was
25 added to portage. So originally it just ran on my machine. I had no
26 intention of creating an "official" gentoo.org site. But then I thought
27 others "might" find it useful so I put it up on my web site. Then it
28 became a .gentoo.org site.
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30 You seem to be going the opposite direction. You want the site first
31 and then you start coding. But I think you miss the idea.
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33 As far as the idea itself. I think it's been mentioned many many times
34 before why these things aren't accurate. If one were to implement
35 something like this, I'd think they shouldn't use "real" numbers because
36 they will almost always "just plain wrong". I think an arbitrary
37 coefficient would be more accurate, though still not precise. But make
38 up a value ala BogoMips, call it Gentoo Hours or something. Make the
39 time it takes to compile glibc (version x) to be 1 Gentoo Hour. And the
40 time it takes to compile any other program will be a factor of that base
41 Gentoo Hour. That "might" be more accurate but is still "just plain
42 wrong" ;-).
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