[gentoo-dev] Re: Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009

[Steven J Long]

Thomas Anderson wrote:

> Tiziano Muller(dev-zero) banned igli from #-council for what he called
> repeated trolling after private warnings.

This is inaccurate, and to be frank, a lie.

dev-zero was placed on /ignore by me a couple of weeks previously after
unwelcome /msg'ing wrt dev ML, that he was told was unwelcome, which he
refused to respect. That was the ONLY private discussion we had and had
nothing to do with #-council.

Furthermore, he only banned me 8 hours after I had left the channel.

Additionally, his user-rel issue was only raised AFTER I had raised the
above in #-devrel, a process he chose to ignore until raising in userrel
a couple of hours later, and then later trying to turn #-council into
#-userrel, pretending the devrel issue had never occurred.

(In the interests of accuracy I should point out it was +q not +b.)

If I thought you had both time and inclination to actually reign your
developers in when they step out of line, I'd file a devrel bug against him.
As it is, I don't have the time to be insulted on bugzilla as well as
online, and am just glad there is an election on; none of the user-rel
people I spoke to afterwards knew anything about raising it with you for
review; they only asked for the ban to be rescinded, which it was.

I'd like to ask prospective Council members to answer the question I posted
in my last mail to -project (which I assume you guys read. If not, I suggest
new members consider keeping up to date with it, since many externals find
dev to be beyond the pale. It's not just your developers who get put off by
the nonsense.)

What you put in your summary concerns me an awful lot less than the constant
kowtowing to a supposed authority figure who on inspection is just another
student, making all the classic student mistakes. It's not like others
haven't pointed this out to you over and over; maybe you should start to
consider it for a change?

OK, put it this way: how offended do you think dev-zero would have felt if I
had spoken to him in the way ciaranm addressed trelane in #-council over
the last week or two? Or I'm sure anyone can find PLENTY of examples from
this ML.

Odd that CoC doesn't apply, but others are held up to a much higher standard
and indeed treated most unfairly by people in positions of authority
abusing that position for partisan aims.

And sorry, tanderson, but consider my words of support for your campaign
rescinded after the concerted nature of your part in the politicking. You
clearly have a year or two more of growing-up to do, minimum, AFAIC.
Lovey-dovey words about all getting along and documentation, are not
sufficient to hold up to the rigours of the process you wish to lead.

I'll chalk it up to inexperience on your part, as I know your heart is in
the right place. If I'm wrong, feel free to flame me and I'll revise my
opinion. Nice summaries though.

/me looks forward to seeing gentoofan on the Council in a week or three and
even more to quoting ciara at dev-zero.

(It's OK, it's a joke.)
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