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On Sat, 5 May 2007 17:12:03 +0200 |
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Marius Mauch <genone@g.o> wrote: |
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> Guess you never looked at the various elog modules in portage-2.1 then |
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> which provide the same (I'd say even more) flexibility how and when |
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> you want to read such stuff |
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But they don't do so by default. |
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> Why does every discussion recently have to come down to this |
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> argument? I couldn't care less wether this was about paludis, |
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> pkgcore, portage, mysql, subversion, kde, gnome, vim, emacs, apache |
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> or whatever, a g42 news item shouldn't be issued for minor syntax |
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> changes in config files that could just as well handled completely |
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> automatically in postinst/CONFIG_PROTECT. |
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They can't automatically be handled in postinst. |
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> > As has already been pointed out, only paludis users would see |
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> > the news item that you are all bitching about, so if you guys don't |
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> > use paludis, why do you care? |
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> The point is that it sets a precedence. After all some people might be |
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> silly enough to expect the tree to be somewhat consistent when it |
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> comes to such things. There was a reason why I asked in the original |
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> discussion about glep 42 how many news items might potentially exist |
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> at any given point in time (back then the answer was "not so many"). |
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> And if there really is going to be a news item for every triviality |
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> in the tree not only will people over time become trained to ignore |
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> them but also the overhead will get quite annoying. |
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We have already established that this news item is not a triviality and |
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that the people who will see it will want to see it. |
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> > If you happen to maintain packages and |
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> > you feel like providing news will piss your users off, then don't |
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> > provide it. Experience has shown that paludis users like these news |
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> > items, which is another point that you and others are ignoring. |
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> (My) Experience has also shown that gentoo-x86/portage users like the |
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> elog features in portage, so stop with those games, they don't get us |
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> anywhere. |
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They prefer it to not having anything at all. There is plenty of reason |
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to believe that they would prefer news to elog in this situation were |
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that option available to them. |
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Ciaran McCreesh |
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