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Ferris McCormick wrote: |
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> On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 14:44 +0000, George Prowse wrote: |
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> |
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>> Ferris McCormick wrote: |
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>>>>> As I recall, flameeyes made the statement to kloeri, and kloeri called |
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>>>>> it blackmail. Whatever you call it, in business, issuing such an |
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>>>>> ultimatum is one of the quickest ways to become unemployed. |
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>>>>> |
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>>>>> |
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>>>> So you'd rather let one of the best employees go rather than chastise a |
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>>>> worker who is leaving soon? Thats just cutting off your nose to spite |
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>>>> your face. |
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>>>> |
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>>>> |
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>>> You misunderstand. The analogy is that I walk into my boss's office and |
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>>> say "Fire Joe or I'm gone", in which case I can expect to be gone one |
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>>> way or the other. |
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>>> |
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>> Joe was leaving anyway. Ask Joe to leave soon which saves every single |
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>> problem. Joe just does what he was going to do, you get what you want |
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>> and the company keeps on running smoothly. The company then has the |
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>> choice of making it known to you that it will not be tolerated in the |
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>> future. |
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> Whether or not Joe is leaving or not is irrelevant to how to treat my |
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> conduct. Apparently in this case I did not know Joe was leaving, and it |
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> is never (well, hardly ever) acceptable to make such demands. "Joe goes |
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> or I go" says something about me, not about Joe. And what it says (if |
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> nothing else) is that I am a problem employee who considers himself to |
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> be indispensable. |
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> |
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> We (or anyone else) just can't "ask Joe to leave soon" because someone |
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> doesn't like him. In my example, I am the problem, not Joe --- I set it |
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> up that way. |
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> Regards, |
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> |
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I never said anyone was right for demanding anything, in fact i have |
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said numerous times that reprimands should be given out. This does not |
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mean that it cant be sorted out behind the scenes in ways more befitting |
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a professional organisation. Saying "no, take it or leave it" is still |
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cutting off your nose to spite your face. A simple "i'm afraid i cant do |
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that but both you and I know he is leaving soon so leave it with me and |
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i'll see what i can do..." would give time think, assess the situation |
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and tell the other person that you know he was leaving and that it |
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would be better for him to do so sooner than later. |
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