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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@×××××××××××××.uk>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:59:43
Message-Id: 20060824145416.13761551@snowdrop.home
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet by Donnie Berkholz
1 On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:17:17 -0700 Donnie Berkholz
2 <dberkholz@g.o> wrote:
3 | The vocal minority often gets its way, despite 99% of the other
4 | developers being happy with any given situation.
5
6 That's a somewhat dangerous claim to make, for several reasons.
7
8 Firstly, the vocal people are usually the ones who have a stake in an
9 issue. Most people don't care about an issue because they trust that
10 those who understand the issue and its implications will get it fixed.
11
12 Secondly, it's a good way of dismissing technical discussion. Coming up
13 with the right solution for a problem is often difficult, but doing so
14 can save huge amounts of effort later on.
15
16 Thirdly, it's a good way of dismissing anyone who happens to disagree
17 with you.
18
19 Fourthly, if the majority aren't vocal, how do you know what they want?
20
21 | The problem got so bad that our Developer Relations team wrote up an
22 | etiquette guide.
23
24 No no. That was a result of devrel being unable to address the real
25 issues that were affecting them (recruiting holdups, inconsistent and
26 far too low standards for people who did manage to get through the
27 system, complete neglect of the documentation they'd decided they'd
28 maintain), and needing to make it look like they were doing something.
29 It's often much easier to invent a problem where there is none
30 than it is to fix the real issues -- and doing so is a good way of
31 gaining popularity, at least for a while.
32
33 It's very easy to claim that "there are too many flamewars", even if
34 that isn't actually true. It's hard to claim "Portage needs replacing,
35 the tree has huge QA issues, several archs are horribly unmaintained and
36 too many developers don't have a clue what they're doing" because a)
37 they're difficult problems to address, b) if you do say them, Condorcet
38 ensures that you won't get elected and c) you might be expected to fix
39 them.
40
41 Most of these problems could be solved if we had a council that was far
42 less spineless, a council that's prepared to address the *real* issues
43 rather than doing nothing, a council that shows leadership and provides
44 direction where it's needed without screwing things up where it's not.
45 The problem with the old system was devrel's habit of holding secret
46 meetings, Daniel's habit of going off and deciding new directions
47 (catalyst, genkernel, ...) without consulting those who understood the
48 issues involved and so on. The problem with the new system is that it
49 encourages fence sitting and stagnation, and draws focus away from the
50 real issues and onto populist mud flinging.
51
52 --
53 Ciaran McCreesh
54 Mail : ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o>