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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@g.o>
To: gentoo-devrel@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-devrel] Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:50:47
Message-Id: 20060302175027.7a0a9a1f@snowdrop.home
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-devrel] Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project by George Prowse
1 On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:33:58 +0000 George Prowse
2 <cokehabit2003@××××××××.uk> wrote:
3 | > Perhaps you should consider *why* this is the case. There are
4 | > plenty of changes that could be made to the forums that would make
5 | > them much less inaccessible to developers.
6 | >
7 | Actually the forums are fine as they are. They are a tried and tested
8 | formula and the main place that those need help go. That alone should
9 | give you an idea.
10 |
11 | If you could point out some *actual* problems then maybe we could
12 | suggest some solutions.
13
14 You've said it yourself. One *actual* problem is that there aren't
15 enough developers posting there. Perhaps someone should consider asking
16 why this is the case.
17
18 You can have two answers from me for free. These may or may not overlap
19 with what you'll get from other developers.
20
21 The first is that finding anything relevant amongst all the noise is
22 extremely difficult. The search function utterly sucks (try searching
23 for 'vim', 'fluxbox' or 'ciaranm'), so mostly I only go to threads
24 when someone points me to them via another medium.
25
26 The second is that the amount of nonsense up with which I have to put
27 from forums users is surpassed only by the amount of nonsense that
28 comes from forum mods (perfect example: the eventual introduction of the
29 unsupported software forum after months and months of refusals and
30 complaints to devrel whenever such a forum was suggested). Compare the
31 average thread on the -user list with the average thread on the forums,
32 for example. The -user list very much conveys the impression that it's
33 there for technical discussion. The forums, on the other hand, is often
34 much more oriented towards getting a high postcount, ricing and seeing
35 who can make the best "Gentoo developers are elitist" comments.
36
37 Neither of these answers will, on its own, be enough to help you solve
38 the "not enough developers on the forums" issue. Nor will it help if
39 you claim that "the forums are fine as they are". Why not try finding
40 out from other developers why they think the forums are not fine?
41
42 --
43 Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat)
44 Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org
45 Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

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