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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@g.o>
To: gentoo-devrel@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-devrel] Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:50:47
Message-Id: 20060302175027.7a0a9a1f@snowdrop.home
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-devrel] Proposal of Change to the Gentoo User Relations Project by George Prowse
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:33:58 +0000 George Prowse
<cokehabit2003@××××××××.uk> wrote:
| > Perhaps you should consider *why* this is the case. There are
| > plenty of changes that could be made to the forums that would make
| > them much less inaccessible to developers.
| > 
| Actually the forums are fine as they are. They are a tried and tested
| formula and the main place that those need help go. That alone should
| give you an idea.
| If you could point out some *actual* problems then maybe we could
| suggest some solutions.

You've said it yourself. One *actual* problem is that there aren't
enough developers posting there. Perhaps someone should consider asking
why this is the case.

You can have two answers from me for free. These may or may not overlap
with what you'll get from other developers.

The first is that finding anything relevant amongst all the noise is
extremely difficult. The search function utterly sucks (try searching
for 'vim', 'fluxbox' or 'ciaranm'), so mostly I only go to threads
when someone points me to them via another medium.

The second is that the amount of nonsense up with which I have to put
from forums users is surpassed only by the amount of nonsense that
comes from forum mods (perfect example: the eventual introduction of the
unsupported software forum after months and months of refusals and
complaints to devrel whenever such a forum was suggested). Compare the
average thread on the -user list with the average thread on the forums,
for example. The -user list very much conveys the impression that it's
there for technical discussion. The forums, on the other hand, is often
much more oriented towards getting a high postcount, ricing and seeing
who can make the best "Gentoo developers are elitist" comments.

Neither of these answers will, on its own, be enough to help you solve
the "not enough developers on the forums" issue. Nor will it help if
you claim that "the forums are fine as they are". Why not try finding
out from other developers why they think the forums are not fine?

Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat)
Mail            : ciaranm at
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