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On 11/01/13 01:42, Duncan wrote: |
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>> Anyone thought of just testing the pentoo-installer to install gentoo, |
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>> quick and easy? I just think there should be a basic, easy install for |
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>> gentoo. Pentoo offers that based on hardened (tool-chain and kernel). |
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>> If there is a glaring problem with Pentoo, please post or drop me |
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>> private email. The only problem I see is that it does not offer ZFS in |
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>> the menu during installation. |
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> AFAIK once you start shipping binaries (as an installer with that choice |
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> would be doing) you end up in a legal gray area due to Sun-now-Oracle's |
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> refusal to GPL the ZFS code. Some would therefore consider that lack a |
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> feature, not a bug.[3] =:^) |
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This would only be the initial install. Once you issue "emerge --sync" |
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does it not pull down sources? |
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And furthermore, it'd be fairly trivial after reboot to have a script |
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the noob uses, to pull down the full (updated) source packages. Sure |
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a quick capacity scan would be needed to ensure the disk has room. |
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>> Or is Pentoo, just a specific needs gentoo installation? |
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> I'd consider it the latter. It's available as a gentoo overlay[2], at |
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> least, thereby pretty much fitting the definition. |
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The point is that soon, it will be very easy to install Pentoo. I'm sure |
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the folks at Pentoo, do not want the masses of Gentoo users at their |
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doors, so they are probable very receptive to the ideas that after the |
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initial install, which by the way has folks on a secure path, to |
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evolve the Gentoo system into what they want it for. This would be |
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most easy by then pointing the new Gentoo users to wiki pages that |
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target a few different general use categories like: |
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workstation (kde) |
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fast workstation (XFCE) |
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Web server DNS server firewall |
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and just specify a few flag changes and a suggested list of packages. |
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> [2] At least, that's what wikipedia claims (keeping in mind |
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> my stated reason for responding, I've no personal knowledge of |
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> pentoo, so...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentoo |
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I just used these: |
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pentoo-amd64-2013.0_RC1.9.iso |
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and a Beta version of SystemRescue to clean up grub. |
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Hell, Somebody smarter that I could easily whip together a wiki page |
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on this approach. Then refine it over time, before listing it |
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in the alternative installation methods..............? |
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> [3] One of the great things about the manual installation method |
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> is that it's so open-ended; the handbooks document reasonable |
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> defaults, but they're just that, reasonable defaults, leaving the |
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> user free to branch out and do their own thing wherever they feel |
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> the want/need, and we even document some of those branches in |
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> separate documentation such as the alternate install guide. As |
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> such, we can avoid the political debates and choices a more |
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> featureful graphical installer could trigger, this being one of them. |
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> Of course unofficial based-on/specific-needs subdistros such as |
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> pentoo can do what they want, independent of gentoo. |
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> So let's just not go into the whole zfs thing further, |
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> and agree to leave it at that. =:^) |
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