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On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Kasun Gajasinghe <kasunbg@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> Hi Jörg, and Robert, |
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>>> FWIW one unresolved challenge for linux distributions with the rise of |
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>>> bytecode languages (such as Java) is that compressed bytecodes are not |
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>>> binaries in the usual sense (platform dependent machine executable |
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>>> machine code). i know that it's a hard thing for the linux community |
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>>> to hear but it's about time that the community acknowledged that these |
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>>> languages are now mainstream and stop trying to force them into a |
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>>> inappropriate provisioning model. |
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> So... what exactly are you suggesting? Switch in to using binaries |
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> instead of building from source paradigm? |
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i love the "build-from-source" paradigm but dependencies for languages |
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such as Java are distributed as compressed intermediate bytecode |
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source not binaries. bytecode dependencies work quite differently from |
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the libraries used by directly compiled languages. building |
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applications in a reliable and reproducable way for bytecode languages |
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requires provisioning libraries in native source form (ie. bytecode). |
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it's time to start working with these new languages rather than try to |
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fight them by forcing them to fit into inappropriate structures. |
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>> To build Maven from source in Gentoo I wonder about the hen-and-egg problem. |
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> Yes. To Bootstrap maven, the work around for this is by: first |
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> generate ANT build.xml via `mvn ant:ant`. maven-bin will provide the |
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> mvn command in this case. Then patch that build.xml to the source. |
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> After that, ANT will take care of the building from source. |
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not very reliable :-/ |
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- robert |
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