Re: [gentoo-nfp] Agenda item: Formalize Gentoo's org structure

[Matthew Thode]

On 18-04-10 21:41:47, Michał Górny wrote:
> W dniu wto, 10.04.2018 o godzinie 14∶39 -0500, użytkownik Matthew Thode
> napisał:
> > On 18-04-10 21:23:26, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > W dniu wto, 10.04.2018 o godzinie 12∶47 -0500, użytkownik Matthew Thode
> > > napisał:
> > > > On 18-04-10 19:28:11, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > > W dniu pon, 09.04.2018 o godzinie 12∶50 -0500, użytkownik Matthew Thode
> > > > > napisał:
> > > > > > On 18-04-09 18:57:27, Michał Górny wrote:
> > > > > > > But let's get to the details.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your proposal -- once again -- makes Trustees the highest-level
> > > > > > > governing body of Gentoo and reduces Council to technical matters.  This
> > > > > > > is against GLEP 39 which clearly states that Council is responsible for
> > > > > > > all global decisions and as far as I'm aware is the most recent policy
> > > > > > > defining the role of Council.  Unless you have a strong reason to
> > > > > > > believe that this policy has been illegally forced upon Gentoo, you are
> > > > > > > not 'formalizing' anything but attempting to change well-established
> > > > > > > metastructure and outright lying to the community that the current state
> > > > > > > is undefined.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I believe that Trustees can't be the highest governing body of Gentoo
> > > > > > > for a number of reasons. I will enumerate those I can think of below:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > GLEP 39 is not legally binding.  This proposal would make glep 39 need
> > > > > > changes (mainly that there would be a governing body above council).  At
> > > > > > that point glep 39 could possibly be made into a bylaw.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you saying that Trustees do not have to respect the result of vote
> > > > > done among all Gentoo developers?
> > > >
> > > > The trustees are beholden to those that elected them, namely the
> > > > foundation membership, while many of them are developers, some are not.
> > > > So, no, we do not have to respect a result of those that are not our
> > > > members.
> > >
> > > What is your claim, exactly?  Are you saying that back in 2005
> > > the Foundation members and developers were disjoint the way they are
> > > today?  Or are you claiming that Trustees don't have to respect old
> > > rules because they have accepted additional non-developer members
> > > afterwards?
> > >
> > > According to LDAP, you have joined Gentoo in 2011.  GLEP 39 was
> > > effective already back then, and unless your recruitment was much
> > > different from mine (2010), you should've been taught about it.  So why
> > > the sudden surprise about it?
> > >
> >
> > The Trustees are responsible to those that elected them (Foundation
> > members).
> > I as a Gentoo Developer should respect GLEP 39.
> > I as a Gentoo Trustee do not need to respect GLEP 39.
> > These are different roles.  I think selinux did role based behavior well.
> > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SELinux/Role-based_access_control
> >
>
> Does that mean that I as Gentoo Developer does not have to respect
> the decisions made by Trustees?  In that case I suppose all we have to
> do is leave the Foundation.
>

You are still using the Gentoo name working on foundation owned
resources.  You as a developer need to respect the Trustees in that
respect.  The council needs to respect the foundation for legal /
monetary reasons.  If the Trustees/Foundation makes a decision
regarding what it owns it needs to be obeyed (as long as it's legal of
course).  I'm probably missing something here though.

-- 
Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)