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On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 01:47 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: |
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> > Ok, so what about all the projects falling by the way side? When there |
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> > was no GWN now GMN. Who did something about that? Was the council |
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> > looking to keep that project going? Or what about Events? |
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> Nothing related to this discussion. The council, at least me and donnie, |
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> use to poll people to know what's going on, maybe not that often as I |
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> wish but I'm trying. |
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There is still no comment from you a current council member. On what |
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action the council took when projects used to keep the community |
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informed. Were falling behind? |
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> > We are supposed to be electing a new council per GLEP 39. Who is doing |
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> > that or to oversee it? |
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> Elections seems to have rules, like the ones used to elect the current |
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> council and the former one ^^ |
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Again we have rules in place now. Since you all missed last meeting and |
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election is supposed to be going on right now. Who is going to oversee |
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that. Who is going to start that process, that we are already behind on. |
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Who enforces the rules? You being on the council, should be imposing |
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that yourselves. You all failed have 50% attend a meeting per GLEP 39. |
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So you all are to be replaced. When will that process start? |
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How many balls must be dropped before it's clear we lack organization? |
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> > Ok, creativity aside. We lose a sponsor, which almost happened with a |
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> > major one. We need a few $k in services for Gentoo every month. We need |
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> > that now and today, not tomorrow when we can find a sponsor or sponsors |
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> > to provide the services to Gentoo for free. |
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> We got one as the needed, luckily our core features are _that_ interesting. |
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Um not. To be specific we almost lost GNi a couple months ago. I have no |
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clue where things wrt to that stand. But at one point there was the |
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potential for Gentoo to get some massive bills. Which would have drained |
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all funds in a few months. Much less it would take several sponsors to |
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make up for that loss. |
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Unless you have friends or know someone that will give Gentoo > $5k a |
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month in hosting services for free. Tomorrow. |
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> > What happens if infra decided we need to buy our SSL certs rather than |
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> > free from CACert? What happens if hardware we own dies and we have to |
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> > buy a replacement? What happens if the council wants to do new things, |
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> > request is made to infra, but funds are there to make such request |
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> > happen? |
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> The usual, somebody steps up for providing those if interested. |
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Ok so if infra was polled right now. Would they say they have all they |
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need. Or let's go one further all they would like. |
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FYI, I am about to start removing FreeBSD keywords. Since there is no |
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one doing keywording there anymore. I am held up on some things I need |
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to do on the Java front for months now. Do we have any infra maintained |
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FreeBSD boxes available for our developers. Like we do for other archs? |
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> Usually sponsorship or just the improvements they are bound to give back |
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> due gpl. We are not doing this for money, you know? |
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Yes, but we require $ to do what we do now. Gentoo doesn't happen for |
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free either. Again with all this time people are giving. If we had no |
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where to commit our code then? Or means to email each other like now. |
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> > What's wrong with delegation? If the council doesn't mind getting help. |
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> I do mind since this thread. |
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Then you and the other council members can meet, and respond as a group. |
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Or one off, either way. But it's all pretty moot, since this current |
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council is to be replaced, yesterday. We are running out of time on the |
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1 month as stated in GLEP 39. |
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> Sure, nothing the current council will due since the shortage of time to |
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> even evaluate |
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Well that's because the council is being replaced due to a slacker |
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clause. |
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> > I am not alone. This was expressed in others manifestos per election I |
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> > believe. Have to double check. |
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> Please do. |
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Improve Communications Between the Trustees and the Council |
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http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/docs/manifesto.xml#doc_chap3 |
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"The Trustees must establish and maintain the necessary minimum |
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“business footprint” for gentoo." |
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http://web.mac.com/tom_gall/_MAC/Blog/Entries/2008/2/4_Gentoo_Trustee.html |
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"> (*) What NeddySeagoon said. There's not much one can add to that, |
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> It's a great manifesto. |
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I also sign onto this. I can't think how to improve it." |
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http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/msg_732104ea7c78c2da8d0b458f4c9d2e81.xml' |
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> > People are to focus on power, and not organization. The trustees are |
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> > seeking more and better organization for a foundation that has never |
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> > been operated, or run as intended. Or with any success. We are not |
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> > seeking more power or etc. Just organization, and delegation where it |
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> > fits. |
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> I don't see that in this discussion. |
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What a call for organization? |
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> >> Looks like the keyword here is "volunteering". |
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> > And what is the RedCross? Do people volunteer for that? |
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> I have a deep knowledge of RedCross in Italy and I'll anything in my |
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> power to avoid Gentoo getting that way: lots of politics, wasteful usage |
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> of founds, abuse of voluteers and their time. |
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Ok, so Italy would be better of with no RedCross. |
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I think we already have clear abuses of volunteers and their time. Not |
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sure why you think we are much different or better than them. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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amd64/Java/Trustees |
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Gentoo Foundation |