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Caleb Cushing wrote: |
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> On Wednesday 16 January 2008 08:16:23 pm William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: |
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>> Sorry but we don't need drama like that.To date the media is playing on |
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>> and reporting drama. |
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> really... well stop the drama then... I for one would like to see results... |
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> like I said almost the same conversation last year this time... and still the |
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> same problems... |
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Well, nobody is stopping you from helping out with some of the problems |
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you've brought up. If you want more ebuilds hitting your desktop, |
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volunteer to be an arch tester. Anybody can write ebuilds and submit |
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them to bugzilla. If you care greatly enough you can volunteer to be a |
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dev and maintain them. If you want to see GWN take off again write up |
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some articles and mail them to pr@g.o - I'm sure that they would |
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get published in some forum. |
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The problem with the dictator model is that the dictator can't simply |
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say "release more ebuilds" and have it mean anything. Ultimately it |
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comes down to individuals stepping up and contributing. A leader can |
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certainly inspire and set vision, and I don't think anybody is opposing |
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Daniel doing exactly this. You don't even need a title of any kind to |
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do that. What concerns people is a large scale change to the whole |
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organization that will make it dependent on one person. Certainly |
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Gentoo has its issues, but when you look at the day to day just about |
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everything is working just fine. |
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> A year ago Dan joined as a dev and then left. He did not at that time offer to |
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> take control, even when asked by some. Now he has offered. |
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I think that Dan has a lot to offer Gentoo. I think that some of the |
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issues he raises are valid ones, and the Gentoo leadership would do well |
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to try to stir people up. However, if Dan couldn't last more than a few |
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days as a dev, why would we expect him to do any differently as |
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President? It isn't like the job is easier, and it isn't like his title |
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would grant him an instant ability to get everybody to fall into line. |
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In a volunteer-driven organization you need to inspire people to follow |
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you - you can't order them to. That being the case, I don't see how |
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giving Dan legal powers will really benefit the organization, and from |
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an accountability standpoint it seems unwise... |
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> anyways I'm tired of this prove that change is needed argument... the fact |
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> that a sizable number of intelligent people think something is wrong, |
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> suggests that something is wrong. |
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I'd be the first to agree that change is needed. Just the forum poll |
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evidences that. However, I'm concerned that this particular change |
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won't fix things, and it could harm things greatly. Just because change |
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is needed doesn't mean that we need to implement the first major |
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upheaval that presents itself... |
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In any case, I think we're best off taking this steadily. Let's get the |
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legal mess cleaned up, the foundation back on solid ground, and work |
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with Dan to find a way where the best of his ideas can go forward. Lots |
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of people are stepping up and offering help in some of these areas - |
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there is no reason to think that this can't be turned around. And it |
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isn't like somebody is about to pull the plug on the DNS servers or |
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anything like that. |
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