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Hi Rich! |
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I really like how this discussion is going, I'm learning a lot. Thanks |
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for taking the time to write answers! |
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El 12/07/17 a las 16:46, Rich Freeman escribió: |
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> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera |
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> (klondike) <klondike@g.o> wrote: |
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>> El 12/07/17 a las 16:15, Rich Freeman escribió: |
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>>> 2. Tax benefits for US donors, assuming we ever get 501c3 status. |
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>>> I'm not sure how important this really is, but a LOT of organizations |
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>>> set up 501c3s in the US for this reason alone. |
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>> Similar benefits exist in other places of the world, in Spain for |
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>> example |
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> Not for US donors. If you want US donors to get a tax break you need |
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> to have a US 501c3. |
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> Of course similar arrangements exist for donors in other countries. |
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> That would be one of the benefits for having multiple organizations. |
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> You basically end up needing orgs in any country where you get a lot |
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> of donations. |
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> Most big orgs that get a lot of donations tend to get a lot of these |
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> donations in the US, so having donors being able to tax-deduct in the |
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> US is a big benefit for them. |
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> It wasn't intended to be a US-is-better-than-Spain/etc comment. |
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No, of course not. Here is one of the "I still lack the experience at |
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the Gentoo Foundation to make promises" parts I referred to. I don't |
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know who are all the donors of the Gentoo Foundation nor where they are |
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based. So if most are based on the USA and attaining 501c3 status is |
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considered feasible this would be a good reason to either be based there |
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or having a subchapter. |
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Still, if I have to make a choice between money and community I suspect |
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I'll go for community. |
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>> In our case, since exploitation of Gentoo can happen anywhere on the |
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>> world such should be the main frameworks we should be used to as USA |
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>> can't put fines or anything for actions carried out of their jurisdiction. |
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> Somebody needs to tell the US government that, because the US enforces |
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> extraterritoriality all the time. The US also still exerts a lot of |
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> control over the underlying internet infrastructure which it tends to |
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> use to its advantage quite a bit. |
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> Just look at the RIAA-vs-the-world situation. Sure, it is whack a |
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> mole but there is no question that they manage to get US interests |
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> enforced all over the place. |
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> I'm not saying that is a good thing. However, the fact is that a |
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> judgment in a US court will get you a lot further than a judgement in |
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> a lot of other courts, because the US tends to throw its weight |
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> around. If we ever find ourselves wanting to wield that power "for |
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> good" then it could be useful to have access to it. |
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> That was really the only point I was trying to make. It is something |
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> to think about. |
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Well, keep in mind that in order to exert such pressure, organizations |
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like the RIIA perform lobbying as a way to make their interests appear |
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the US interests. I doubt (and also hope) the Gentoo foundation will |
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never be on such a bad position and that hopefully we'll be able to work |
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around such issues by using the currently available legal frameworks |
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without having to resource to more unethical measures. |
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Klondike |