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From: Matthew Thode <prometheanfire@g.o>
To: gentoo-nfp@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Agenda item: Formalize Gentoo's org structure
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:09:57
Message-Id: 20180409150951.oxsjwkgdqlqgmdp2@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-nfp] Agenda item: Formalize Gentoo's org structure by Rich Freeman
1 On 18-04-09 09:23:17, Rich Freeman wrote:
2 > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Alec Warner <antarus@g.o> wrote:
3 > >
4 > > Would you change GLEP 39 here and get a vote of the developer-base to change
5 > > the metastructure?
6 > >
7 >
8 > IMO if we ever do get around to figuring out what the contributors to
9 > Gentoo actually want, we should probably give them more than a yes/no
10 > option. We use condorcet voting - it costs us nothing to give people
11 > as many options as people care to define, because there is no
12 > strategic voting advantage to diluting options with condorcet as long
13 > as the ballot doesn't get so long that people can't even rank it.
14 >
15 > I'd suggest doing that BEFORE spending a ton of effort refining
16 > things. Maybe ask people where they want things to go in a
17 > non-binding way, at at least look at the top few candidates.
18 >
19 > Then go ahead and refine the proposed path forward (hopefully with
20 > both Council/Trustee backing, but if they want to propose separate
21 > options they could), and then put that up for a binding vote.
22 >
23 > If we think this is a good idea I'd suggest that we just let people
24 > write up proposals on the wiki (anybody can write one or more
25 > proposals as long as at least one dev or foundation member backs it -
26 > if there is abuse then limit to one each), then these get copied to
27 > locked-down pages prior to voting, and each proposal is assigned a
28 > unique ID for the ballot. Voting starts, people can discuss or try to
29 > sway votes on the lists, and then we get the ranked tally. This would
30 > be non-binding and could be used by Council/Trustees/others as useful
31 > feedback so that at least we're not all waving our hands in the air
32 > about what "everybody" wants.
33 >
34 > We would still have to settle who gets to vote. IMO it should just be
35 > devs, but honestly the number of non-dev Foundation members isn't that
36 > large at present and it probably wouldn't change the outcome (keeping
37 > things this way is important, because if we ever do end up in a
38 > situation where the two bodies want to go in different directions we
39 > have an even bigger mess).
40 >
41
42 A more 'positive' aclimation from the community (devs and non-dev
43 foundation members) would be nice. I'd be good if there was some sort
44 of forum where voters can ask questions of each proposal as well.
45
46 I'd love to generally follow GLEP 39, but can't make promises because
47 GLEP 39 only apply to the org strucure at or below the level of Council.
48 At least that's how I see it working at this point.
49
50 --
51 Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)

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