Re: [gentoo-project] Comrel Improvements: Expectations of Privacy

[Raymond Jennings]

My personal opinion is that william's personal case is off topic in 
this discussion about comrel improvements as a whole, and in this 
thread, we should stick to whatever problems need to be fixed with 
comrel policy.

Tangling up this discussion with a side-trip into williams and his case 
is distracting from the main point of this discussion.

Yes, I think williams's points need addressed, but I do not think this 
is the proper venue for it.

That said, if williams has brought up valid concerns with current 
comrel policy (and there should be a check to make sure that his 
problems with the process at the time are not still problems now), they 
should be addressed.

I think of williams's complaints as a bug report against comrel policy, 
and should be handled accordingly.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Gregory Woodbury <redwolfe@×××××.com> 
wrote:
> It has become clear that William has a problem with the way that
> comrel is dealing with the existing rules. He wants the rules to
> be changed, which is not a problem in and of itself, but he wants
> them changed before he will actually be in a positions to get
> the changes effected.
>
> It has been said several times in several places that history
> shows some "errors" occurred in dealing with William and
> others. There is obviously some room for the process to be
> fixed, but that it cannot and will not be changed just for this
> case.  It does not make sense for the process to be changed
> just because one person doesn't want to comply with the
> current rules.
>
> Were I the one applying, I would just drop any blather about history
> and changing the rules immediately, and do the necessary technical
> work to become a developer.  Then, once having the necessary
> status, I would introduce a discussion in some appropriate forum
> to get the rules changed so that future problems don't happen.
>
> William has stated that he has a problem with the rules as they
> stand, and he cannot (will not) comply with them as a matter of
> principle.  That is unfortunate, as it puts the cart before the horse,
> and basically says, I want to offer your this precious talent I have
> for the project, but I want a special dispensation before I will deign
> to give it to you.
>
> I agree that the history of the whole affair is sordid and marks a
> problem with the process. However, I know enough about group
> politics to realize that one can't demand a special exemption just
> so that a theoretical contribution might be made.
>
> It has been said that William is both his best and his own worst
> advocate. It is now clear that William feels that he cannot give
> his talent to Gentoo until he gets his way.
>
> William: concentrate on the process and realize that you will
> not get your way until after you show that you can deal with
> the structure as it stands at the moment.  It will not be until
> you show that you can deal with it that you will be given an
> opportunity effect a change.
>
> While there are clear problems, this particular case is dragging
> on to ridiculous extremes, and I can see that it is not going to
> end well for ANYONE involved.
>
> --
> G.Wolfe Woodbury
> redwolfe@×××××.com