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From: Gregory Woodbury <redwolfe@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Comrel Improvements: Expectations of Privacy
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 21:14:24
Message-Id: CAJoOjx87LduozbSmbg+e0E+jWNjvPQGL2WW-i1PvbC2r+4MTow@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Comrel Improvements: Expectations of Privacy by "Paweł Hajdan
1 It has become clear that William has a problem with the way that
2 comrel is dealing with the existing rules. He wants the rules to
3 be changed, which is not a problem in and of itself, but he wants
4 them changed before he will actually be in a positions to get
5 the changes effected.
6
7 It has been said several times in several places that history
8 shows some "errors" occurred in dealing with William and
9 others. There is obviously some room for the process to be
10 fixed, but that it cannot and will not be changed just for this
11 case. It does not make sense for the process to be changed
12 just because one person doesn't want to comply with the
13 current rules.
14
15 Were I the one applying, I would just drop any blather about history
16 and changing the rules immediately, and do the necessary technical
17 work to become a developer. Then, once having the necessary
18 status, I would introduce a discussion in some appropriate forum
19 to get the rules changed so that future problems don't happen.
20
21 William has stated that he has a problem with the rules as they
22 stand, and he cannot (will not) comply with them as a matter of
23 principle. That is unfortunate, as it puts the cart before the horse,
24 and basically says, I want to offer your this precious talent I have
25 for the project, but I want a special dispensation before I will deign
26 to give it to you.
27
28 I agree that the history of the whole affair is sordid and marks a
29 problem with the process. However, I know enough about group
30 politics to realize that one can't demand a special exemption just
31 so that a theoretical contribution might be made.
32
33 It has been said that William is both his best and his own worst
34 advocate. It is now clear that William feels that he cannot give
35 his talent to Gentoo until he gets his way.
36
37 William: concentrate on the process and realize that you will
38 not get your way until after you show that you can deal with
39 the structure as it stands at the moment. It will not be until
40 you show that you can deal with it that you will be given an
41 opportunity effect a change.
42
43 While there are clear problems, this particular case is dragging
44 on to ridiculous extremes, and I can see that it is not going to
45 end well for ANYONE involved.
46
47 --
48 G.Wolfe Woodbury
49 redwolfe@×××××.com

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Re: [gentoo-project] Comrel Improvements: Expectations of Privacy Raymond Jennings <shentino@×××××.com>