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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2019-04-14
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 18:44:40
Message-Id: 80ed2e482e96c96555bf4fd9331731c4c9ad0d7f.camel@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] call for agenda items -- council meeting 2019-04-14 by Andrew Savchenko
1 On Wed, 2019-04-03 at 17:43 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
2 > Why? We have no way to verify that provided names are valid or that
3 > provided ID's are valid. At least in my jurisdiction such
4 > information collected can't be used for legal action or protection
5 > without following established government-assisted verification
6 > procedure. In other jurisdictions similar problems may and will
7 > arise.
8
9 'Perfect is the enemy of good'. Claiming that you can't be 100% sure
10 that someone's giving his real name doesn't imply that everyone is using
11 fake names. Or that it makes no sense to use them.
12
13 > Additional problem is personal data collection, it is
14 > restricted or heavily regulated in many countries. One can't just
15 > demand to show an ID via electronic means without following
16 > complicated data protection procedures which are likely to be
17 > incompatible between jurisdictions.
18
19 Do you have any proof of that, or are you just basing your comments
20 on the common concept of misunderstanding GDPR and extending it to match
21 your private interest?
22
23 > So the real name requirement gives us no real protection from
24 > possible cases, but creates real and serious problems by kicking
25 > active developers and contributors from further contributions.
26 > NP-Hardass is not the only one.
27
28 Do you have any proof of that? As far as I'm concerned, we're pretty
29 clear that NP-Hardass can't contribute to Gentoo, and that his previous
30 contributions shouldn't have been accepted in the first place (and why
31 Trustees agreed to them is another problem). Are you going to take
32 legal and financial responsibility if his employer claims copyright to
33 his contributions? And if you say yes, are you going to really take it
34 or go with the forementioned attitude that we can't legally force you
35 to?
36
37 > I invited some gifted people with
38 > high quality out-of-tree work to become contributors or developers,
39 > but due to hostile attitude towards anonymous contributors they
40 > can't join. And people want to stay anonymous for good reasons,
41 > because they are engaged with privacy oriented development.
42
43 This is a very vague statement that sounds like serious overstatement
44 with no proof, aimed purely to force emotional reaction to support your
45 proposal. If you really want to propose something meaningful, I'd
46 really appreciate if you used real evidence to support it rather than
47 vague claims.
48
49 > We are loosing real people, real contributions and real community.
50 > What for? For solving imaginary problems with inappropriate tools.
51 >
52
53 Thank you for telling us that copyright is an imaginary problem.
54
55 --
56 Best regards,
57 Michał Górny

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