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From: Ulrich Mueller <ulm@g.o>
To: desultory <desultory@g.o>
Cc: gentoo-project@l.g.o, "Andreas K. Hüttel" <dilfridge@g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 10:36:29
Message-Id: upn3ov8t9@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall by desultory
1 >>>>> On Sat, 05 Dec 2020, desultory wrote:
2
3 > On 12/04/20 07:45, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
4 >> Last time I checked, the forums (including OTW) were open for anyone
5 >> to register, which makes them public communication media. So the Code
6 >> of Conduct applies.
7
8 > Aside form limited circumstances when registration is restricted, for
9 > instance due to flooding, they are open to register. However, under
10 > the current, council mandated configuration Off the Wall is not
11 > publicly readable without an account, unlike the mailing lists aside
12 > from core.
13
14 So basically you say that OTW isn't a public forum, so the CoC doesn't
15 apply to it and nothing needs to change?
16
17 I had really hoped that the moderators team would acknowledge that the
18 current state of affairs with OTW is unacceptable, and come up with some
19 plan of their own how to improve things.
20
21 If neither of these two things are going to happen, then it won't be
22 difficult to predict that the Council will close down OTW sooner or
23 later.
24
25 > How, exactly? The council acts as the final level of appeal (short of
26 > literally suing for redress over a CoC enforcement action) yet
27 > multiple council members have been posting in a manner which is
28 > directly counter to the CoC. If posting in a manner directly counter
29 > to the CoC is acceptable behavior to those ultimately tasked with
30 > enforcing it, then the CoC is moot at best. If the CoC is moot then
31 > there is no functioning policy to enforce. If there is no functioning
32 > policy, there is no policy to breach. As such, either the council as a
33 > whole and its members individually need to start treating the CoC as a
34 > functioning and enforceable policy, not least by abiding by it, or the
35 > council as a whole and its members individually need to admit that it
36 > is indeed as it has been treated by them: a defunct policy.
37
38 Such unproven allegations aren't helpful. If I should have violated the
39 CoC in any ML posting, then please point out that concrete posting or
40 report me to ComRel.
41
42 Ulrich

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Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall desultory <desultory@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@g.o>