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From: "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@g.o>
To: gentoo-project <gentoo-project@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:15:27
Message-Id: 3677509.vVmt2iqRkA@kailua
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election by hasufell
1 > From what I see you are on both council and comrel. I think that is a
2 > conflict of interest.
3 >
4 > Council and ComRel should check on each other. If someone is member of
5 > both, then it is likely that he will avoid acting against either party
6 > even if it necessary.
7 >
8 > Some worst case scenarios:
9 > * you have a problem with a council member => you go to ComRel in need
10 > of help
11 > * you have a problem with a ComRel member => you go to council, because
12 > going to ComRel isn't necessarily an option (e.g. the person is the
13 > ComRel lead or you think that ComRel isn't in a functional state)
14 > * If someone is on both parties and you got a problem with him, then the
15 > situation is delicate and checks and balances are likely to fail
16
17 Hey Julian,
18
19 a few points can be made here (and have already been made in this thread).
20 Let's first talk about the general situation...
21
22 First of all, both comrel decisions and council decisions are always team
23 actions. You may have seen the situation of "one comrel guy talks to someone
24 and tells him 'please behave'". While this certainly has an effect, and would
25 have been communicated within the comrel team, it does not have much formal
26 meaning. In the (luckily rather rare) cases where a formal comrel decision
27 that has consequences is needed, the steps are documented in detail, including
28 who was involved in the decision making.
29
30 [If you look at old public bugs tracking such events, you get across texts
31 like "This suspension was agreed upon by x, y, z, a, b, and c. d also agreed
32 with the decision."]
33
34 The council has 7 members, comrel currently 15. So, even if an individual
35 developer were in both groups and would really cast votes on both levels, that
36 would not give this individual power to "box through" decisions on both
37 levels. That said, I see it as good practice not to take part in any decision
38 on both levels (and intend to stick to that should the case ever arise).
39
40 Now about me personally...
41
42 I was invited to join (then) devrel a short time before I was first elected to
43 the council. For a large part I'm still trying to learn from the "comrel
44 ancients" how things are done there, which is not so easy as long as (luckily)
45 not much is happening. I consider the council work more important, and have
46 only limited time. For these reasons, I tend to take things slow in comrel so
47 far and prefer if other people pick up the phone.
48
49 Cheers,
50 Andreas
51
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54 Andreas K. Huettel
55 Gentoo Linux developer
56 kde, council

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