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12.05.2014 01:12, hasufell пишет: |
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> Patrick Lauer: |
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>> On Saturday 10 May 2014 12:46:31 hasufell wrote: |
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>>> Samuli Suominen: |
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>>>> On 09/05/14 21:37, Tom Wijsman wrote: |
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>>>>>> It's counterproductive, means now user needs to read sourcecode of |
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>>>>>> each package to determine it for himself, no global USE="gtk" |
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>>>>>> possible anymore, massive pollution of package.use. |
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>>>>> |
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>>>>> So, rehashing it in a thread to which it is unrelated yields no results. |
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>>>> |
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>>>> I'm not so sure, it seems QA is picking policies as per what some loud |
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>>>> people on the ML say as opposed to giving overwhelming technical arguments |
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>>>> their proper weight |
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>>> |
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>>> Well, if QA team members confuses "bugs" with "bug reports" and say they |
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>>> don't want to do actual work (aka tinderbox), because it would cause |
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>>> more "bugs", then I have serious doubts about their technical |
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>>> understanding of certain issues. |
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>> |
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>> It's not about "want", it's about having the resources (mostly time) to do so. |
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>> |
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>> If you wish to experience that for yourself - just build everything (I can |
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>> give you a script to do so), and then triage bugs. It's great fun for the first |
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>> few hundred failures :) |
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>> |
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> |
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> I hear you. |
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> |
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> Anyway, last time I spoke with the QA lead, he said that QA has |
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> currently enough manpower. |
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> It's a little bit confusing. |
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> What I am pissed about are the arguments other people have given (not |
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> you), not the missing tinderbox... really. I appreciate every hour |
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> people put in gentoo. It isn't about "you didn't get enough stuff done", |
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> at all. |
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> It is about some comments that reveal the way QA (or some parts of it) |
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> thinks about itself. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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> |
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> Something about that needs to change, IMO. And I don't necessarily mean |
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> a regrouping of members or something similar. We already tried that, |
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> didn't we? Let's not make it a habit. |
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> It's sad that you have to yell out that loud before people actually |
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> listen. But the fact is... you have to. |
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> In the end, the blame is on the guy who yelled, not on the people who |
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> didn't listen, because CoC doesn't really cover the latter. |
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> |
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You know that we do not forbid any ordinary developer to help us, that's |
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what said on our project page. If you think that you can create |
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tinderbox that can be official for Gentoo - just go for it and when you |
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will done - begin to receive kudos for great job. |
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Cause now i see much yelling about tinderbox(not only from you), but no |
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real progress globally. Diego did some job about tinderbox and Patrick |
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doing this job about it now. |
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What's your progress? Some scripts? Architectural design? |
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As for me - i said earlier: i can donate resources. I do not have enough |
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knowledge to build good tinderbox solution for the whole distro myself. |
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That's the true. |
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And yes, we need tinderbox. But, c'mon. stop talking loudly on ML and |
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get things done if you can. |
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-- |
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Best regards, Sergey Popov |
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Gentoo developer |
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Gentoo Desktop Effects project lead |
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Gentoo Qt project lead |
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Gentoo Proxy maintainers project lead |
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