Re: [gentoo-project] Representation of Gentoo on third-party platforms

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 7:58 PM, William L. Thomson Jr.
<wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 5:41:45 PM EST Rich Freeman wrote:
>
>> and in the other the person impacted has stated on the
>> list that they do not believe that the Council would reverse the
>> Comrel decisions, though they have not actually appealed.
>
> What happens after appeal?
> What happens if an appeal is successful?
> Will there be animosity from Comrel if their decision is overturned?
> Is comrel restricted from taking an further action against said individual?
> Would people in Comrel be punished and face their own Comrel action for
> breaching Comrel policies?
>
> Simply saying appeal to council shows a lack of thinking out the entire
> process after the fact. Also shows a lack of understand of the potential crap
> storm this could potentially create.
>

This is silly.  You're suggesting that Comrel is out to mount some
kind of coup.  At the very least it betrays a lack of understanding
about how things work since about the only thing Comrel can actually
do is submit bugs for Infra to actually implement.

Sure, if the 10-20 people in the most trusted positions in the
community all decided to boot everybody out we probably could.  I'm
not quite sure why anybody would think that we'd want to.  I'm sure
the Trustees could empty the bank accounts and run, but it would be
scant compensation for all the hours they've put in.

Ultimately the reason all of these different projects/etc exist is to
make the distro work.  People don't join Comrel because they're out to
destroy Gentoo. They join Comrel to do the necessary work of dealing
with people who cause trouble, ideally by helping them to stop, but if
necessary removing them if they do not.

If somebody appeals a decision to the Council, and the Council
overturns the decision, then the outcome is whatever the Council
decides it ought to be.  That's the job of the Council, not to
micromanage every decision made in every project, but to deal with
conflict and escalations.  If the Council decides that somebody can
stay/join/etc then they can.  I don't really anticipate any arguing
over the matter because ultimately that's why we elect the Council,
and the nature of these things tends to put people on the Council who
everybody trusts.  And of course if somebody is going around defying
Council decisions that is a serious matter that needs to be dealt
with.

-- 
Rich