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On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote: |
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> Since Council functions also as a "court of appeal" for DevRel, I would |
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> like to see us adopt a policy that people cannot be a member of both |
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> Council and DevRel. This would avoid any possible conflict of interest. |
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> What do others think about this? |
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I've spoken out against this before and will do so again. |
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1. The council is elected and therefore has a mandate. If you don't |
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trust somebody to exercise appropriate judgment in this capacity you |
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shouldn't be voting for them. |
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2. Devrel is important and excluding those who the community have |
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decided most capable of leading the organization from it is only going |
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to make it weaker. |
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I never really got the conflict of interest thing. A conflict of |
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interest is when somebody's own personal interests are in conflict |
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with those of the organization they are supposed to represent. If a |
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member of infra recommends that Gentoo buy hosting at some company |
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they do work on the side for, then that is a conflict of interest |
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(which isn't to say that they can't be on infra - just that they need |
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to be very up-front about such things - conflicts can be mitigated). |
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Members of devrel don't personally benefit from making disciplinary |
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decisions, at least not usually. Neither do council members. |
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Now you could argue that such a policy would make devrel and the |
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council more independent, but I'd argue that they're probably too |
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independent as it is. In most organizations the leadership at the |
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top sets the direction, and it is the job of everybody else to do |
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their part to keep the ship moving in that direction. The idea that |
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individual projects within Gentoo should be operating in complete |
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autonomy and the council shouldn't get involved unless asked is |
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basically saying that we place little value on central leadership |
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(well, except when things blow up and people start openly debating |
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whether we should have a benevolent dictator - talk about bipolar). |
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I'd say that if anything the policy should be that Devrel as a team |
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can elect a proposed leader, but that the council should be required |
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to confirm this recommendation, and that they should have the power to |
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completely ignore it and appoint anyone else. That's certainly how |
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most organizations run - the HR department at work doesn't just pick |
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its own manager and tell the CEO to buzz off if they meddle too much. |
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If the council isn't simply upholding the decisions of Devrel 99% of |
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the time then something is very wrong. If Devrel really isn't doing |
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its job right then fix it, don't let it muddle along dragging people |
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through a big process that they ignore on the hope that they'll get |
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everything reversed on appeal. |
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For those inclined to point to courts where appeals are handled by |
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"independent" panels of judges keep in mind this independence is often |
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an illusion. The lower court actually is governed by the higher one, |
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and while there are different people involved the lower judges can |
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lose their jobs if the higher ones don't like their rulings too often. |
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These bodies are not independent - the one is completely subservient |
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to the other in just about every way. The lower court really only |
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exists since the higher one is too busy to handle every case directly. |
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Rich |