Re: [gentoo-project] Evidence of idella4's damage to Gentoo, please

[Ian Delaney]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:10:36 +0100
Dirkjan Ochtman <djc@g.o> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Daniel Campbell <zlg@g.o>
> wrote:
> > I'm not going to mince words here: why did we kick out a
> > contributor who was helping the Gentoo cause? I've looked over logs
> > that were shared with me and the worst thing I could find was an
> > off-color joke. Worse things occur on these mailing lists that
> > never see Comrel's inbox, so why this?
>
> This does not sound like you have the full picture of the years over
> which Ian attempted to contribute to Gentoo. I was involved for a long
> time, basically from the start of Ian's tenure as a developer, and I
> fully support his being kicked out.
>

Well you would. And I wonder if I should critique your history of rare
presence in IRC, indecisiveness and blatant intolerance to simple
expression of innocent humour because you didn't even recognise it,
mistaking it as many do as sarcasm, the catch all culprit for all things
alternate to straight and serious. 

> > What I'm looking for is undeniable proof that Ian was irrevocably
> > damaging and threatening to Gentoo, to justify his dismissal and
> > accompanying ban.

And it absent here I believe.

> > If such information will not or cannot be provided, then it
> > indicates to me that there *is* no proof, and without it I will
> > call for his reinstatement for the next council meeting.
>
> As I'm not a member of ComRel or Council or whatever and I haven't
> kept any logs,

I have them. Also:

From: Dirkjan Ochtman <djc@g.o>
To: IAN DELANEY <della5@×××××××××.au>
Subject: Re: hmm
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:22:44 +0200

From: Dirkjan Ochtman <djc@g.o>
To: IAN DELANEY <della5@×××××××××.au>
Subject: Re: here we go again
Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 10:17:55 +0200

I believe I am far better positioned than you to reflect and cite from
the past.

> I think you're being to binary about this. Even if
> there is no single thing that shows Ian "irrevocably damaging and
> threatening" Gentoo, there can still be a reason to prevent him from
> participating in some of our venues.

Any excuse to appease your bias.

> I think the problem with Ian is
> that, as hard as he may try to contribute, I found his contributions
> to be net negative to the distribution. As such, I do think his
> presence is damaging to Gentoo. (And please note that I initially
> encouraged him to join us, and, as lead of the Python team at the
> time, spent significant time ironing out issues that arose from his
> attempts at contribution.)
>
> > I am not alone in requesting accountability from the top of Gentoo.
> > I will take the results of this conversation into consideration
> > when it's time to vote next year, as Gentoo is suffering from
> > staffing issues and practices like this actively damage Gentoo's
> > ability to attract and retain contributors. I have personally met
> > people who have suffered as a result of this debacle; people
> > willing and eager to help us out that are still struggling to join
> > our ranks. So what gives?
> >
> > This distribution should not turn away anyone willing (and able) to
> > help. This is a critical flaw that could accelerate our decline.
>
> I respectfully but strongly disagree. Some people that are willing and
> able to help can in the end turn out to be negative contributors.

You are really leaving yourself wide open here.  The case was over
g-p-m, never 'team(!) python'.

> It is imperative for our community that we can identify those people
> and minimize their impact on the distribution both socially and
> technically.
>

And you can pick and choose these?

> Cheers,

really?

>
> Dirkjan
>

What djc is suggesting here is that of this guy had it coming by my
personal preference of style and stoicism.  Here I was thinking it was
about events long after I withdrew from routine participation in team
python for reason he might find insane.

Still, ty for your thoughts, as they are.

-- 
kind regards

Ian Delaney