Re: [gentoo-project] Shutting down the Off the Wall

[Sam James]

> On 8 Dec 2020, at 19:40, Andreas Sturmlechner <asturm@g.o> wrote:
>
> On Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 14:02:09 CET Roy Bamford wrote:
>> I think that you have missed the main point I was trying to make.
>> The problem is the council destroying their own credibility.
>> It just happens that the vehicle of choice is the forums OTW but it
>> could hove been anything.
>
> I can see that you *want* to make a point, but you're telling us that
>
>> the initial report was an email to council on a closed list, with a
>> CC: to the the forums team.
>
> - when it was sent to -core (yes, a closed list), not council
> - and forum-mods in CC: (but they won't reply because of 60s' netiquette)
> - neither is it 'the' initial report when we consider the 2019 -project
>  thread that had remained unresolved
> - ...which incidentally also did not get any more forum-mods involvement with
>  exception of desultory (who seems to speak for all of them all the time?)
>
> At this point it should be clear that Gentoo devs have concerns about one part
> of the forums that go beyond reporting individual incidents and nothing is
> stopping forum mods from telling us about their plans, if they have some,
> while there even is some upgrade in development that might give new
> possibilities. They should know best how to organise themselves, after all,
> and I don't see volunteers queueing up for them. Instead we have desultory
> going off on tangents and hardening some us-vs-them sentiment while the next
> Council meeting is approaching and this topic is very foreseeable - and here
> we are.
>
> For me, with OTW hidden from public a minimum goal was met (and it should have
> happened a long time ago), but I can see why it is not enough for others. The
> trash produced in OTW by non-Gentoo-affiliated members is in no relation to
> the role it serves in keeping the support forums clean, and I doubt you can
> easily change such a long established subculture without making a clean cut,
> but you may as well prove me wrong.
>

I’d just like to add that this reflects my views - and others I know of - who just
want a practical solution here, and are speaking based on real concerns rather
than some hidden motivation.

I think the forums are valuable as a support venue and I just want to move forward
without deeply controversial content being associated with our distribution - and understand the plans
of the forum moderators in future.

I look forward to hearing practical suggestions on moving forwarding and assuaging our concerns from
the forums team (in an accessible layout/format).

> Regards

Best,
Sam