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On Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2020 14:02:09 CET Roy Bamford wrote: |
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> I think that you have missed the main point I was trying to make. |
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> The problem is the council destroying their own credibility. |
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> It just happens that the vehicle of choice is the forums OTW but it |
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> could hove been anything. |
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I can see that you *want* to make a point, but you're telling us that |
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> the initial report was an email to council on a closed list, with a |
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> CC: to the the forums team. |
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- when it was sent to -core (yes, a closed list), not council |
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- and forum-mods in CC: (but they won't reply because of 60s' netiquette) |
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- neither is it 'the' initial report when we consider the 2019 -project |
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thread that had remained unresolved |
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- ...which incidentally also did not get any more forum-mods involvement with |
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exception of desultory (who seems to speak for all of them all the time?) |
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At this point it should be clear that Gentoo devs have concerns about one part |
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of the forums that go beyond reporting individual incidents and nothing is |
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stopping forum mods from telling us about their plans, if they have some, |
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while there even is some upgrade in development that might give new |
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possibilities. They should know best how to organise themselves, after all, |
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and I don't see volunteers queueing up for them. Instead we have desultory |
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going off on tangents and hardening some us-vs-them sentiment while the next |
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Council meeting is approaching and this topic is very foreseeable - and here |
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we are. |
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For me, with OTW hidden from public a minimum goal was met (and it should have |
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happened a long time ago), but I can see why it is not enough for others. The |
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trash produced in OTW by non-Gentoo-affiliated members is in no relation to |
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the role it serves in keeping the support forums clean, and I doubt you can |
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easily change such a long established subculture without making a clean cut, |
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but you may as well prove me wrong. |
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Regards |