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On 13/11/16 12:25, Alice Ferrazzi wrote: |
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> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 7:33 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@×××.org> wrote: |
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>> On 13/11/16 02:18, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:58 PM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@×××.org> wrote: |
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>>>> On 13/11/16 01:54, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: |
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>>>>> On 11/13/2016 02:53 AM, M. J. Everitt wrote: |
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>>>>> |
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>>>>>>>> With respect, Kristian, I really don't believe we have a problem with |
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>>>>>>>> technical matters ... ;] |
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>>>>>>>> |
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>>>>>>> The description above is a normative description of how things works in |
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>>>>>>> the general case, which doesn't involve comrel. The latter is only |
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>>>>>>> involved when the usual dispute resolution is not applicable due to |
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>>>>>>> personnel making technical issues personal. |
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>>>>>>> |
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>>>>>> Ok so for the sake of clarity, we have a purely technical issue, which |
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>>>>>> is either right or wrong .. and then someone takes it as a personal |
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>>>>>> affront, instead of being mature and professional, and accepting the |
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>>>>>> correction, learning the lesson, to put into practise in future. So |
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>>>>>> instead of the issue being purely technical .. said person MAKES it |
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>>>>>> personal .. and therefore themselves causes a conflict .. which requires |
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>>>>>> some form of Discipline .. which breeds hate .. and ... |
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>>>>>> |
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>>>>>> .. you see where I'm going .. ?! |
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>>>>>> |
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>>>>> At which point ComRel is the applicable body |
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>>>>> |
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>>>> And this is where I think we are all going wrong ........ it should |
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>>>> indeed never *ever* reach that point. Are we not all agreed on that |
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>>>> point maybe??? |
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>>> Sure. Honestly, very few issues should ever reach the Council, and |
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>>> certainly not Comrel. |
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>>> |
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>>> But, they do, and they end up having to be dealt with. |
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>>> |
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>>> If everybody behaves the way they ought to then they'll resolve issues |
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>>> on their own. |
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>>> |
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>>> And it is much better to escalate an issue and get it dealt with than |
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>>> just fight WW3 over it at the ground level. That doesn't mean that |
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>>> you escalate it before you try to deal with it. It means that you |
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>>> escalate it when it is apparent that you're not getting anywhere. |
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>>> |
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>> I think there is a poor culture in Gentoo that all conflicts should |
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>> immediately be referred to ComRel, which I think puts undue burden on |
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>> them for dealing with stupid matters that a single night's sleep and a |
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>> fresh face ought to resolve. One of the first questions a ComRel officer |
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>> should therefore ask FIRST is "have you honestly, (count to 10 and think |
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>> about it) exhausted all possible other methods?". This is probably worth |
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>> even documenting. Sure, posting a quick mail to put something on record |
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>> is fine, and perhaps there should be a more anonymous method of |
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>> reporting abuse, so that secrecy isn't required .. Proposition for |
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>> further thought/bike-shedding welcome. |
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>> |
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> Looks like is already documented. |
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> |
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> From ComRel Project page: |
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> "Community Relations may also act after all other attempts to solve the |
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> issue have failed. Developers are encouraged to try to solve the issue |
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> among themselves in a civil manner before they reach out to Community |
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> Relations. Developers within a project engaged in a personal conflict |
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> may wish to consult with the project lead. Although leads are not |
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> necessarily qualified to resolve personal disputes, technical issues |
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> resulting in conflict can often be resolved within the project without |
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> Community Relations involvement. |
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> Community Relations becomes involved when the above two methods have |
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> failed." |
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> The above two methods are try to deal it in civil manner and if possible |
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> consult with the Project Leader before escalating to ComRel. |
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> |
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Hi Alice, |
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Technically you're correct, but this is a wiki page and not a GLEP and |
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as such isn't binding. There seems to be a general trend (which I cannot |
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historically substantiate) that the procedure, although valid, isn't |
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being correctly and timely followed (NB: There is no criticism of the |
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members here). I think that the project page does form a good basis, but |
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we need to move to something a little more substantial that the members |
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and greater community (not just devs) can get behind. |
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Cheers! :) |
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