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From: "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 20:24:16
Message-Id: assp.03044c09a1.20170511162405.7234398d@o-sinc.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Items for Council Agenda, May 14 by Rich Freeman
1 On Thu, 11 May 2017 15:57:52 -0400
2 Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
3 > We don't want people to avoid us.
4
5 I myself have been there and done that. I left for many years.
6 Very few things if anything improved. I was even accused of not doing
7 more over those years. Despite how people handicap my ability to
8 contribute. Which I stopped some time ago.
9
10 My recent activity on Github was simply trying to address
11 contributors that Gentoo Developers were ignoring...
12
13 This person ignored for 11 months. Does this guy sound happy? Did
14 anyone other than me reply to address his concerns?
15 https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1721#issuecomment-300155991
16
17 Good reason for me to be blocked from Github right? What does that say
18 to that guy? I had NOTHING to do with Gentoo Devs ignoring that pull
19 request.
20
21 Why is this one still open? Mgorny has superior skills to my pathetic
22 ones. Why does he not merge that request? Why has Chewi not?
23 Anyone even talking to the contributor?
24 https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/pull/1358
25
26 While that pull request addresses a number of Tomcat bugs. There are
27 still many more Tomcat related bugs people are reporting.
28 https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=tomcat&list_id=3530490
29
30 What about this guy? Did anyone reach out to him?
31 He showed in IRC as well....
32 http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-dev&m=149194941632740&w=2
33
34 Those are just a few and all 3 have NOTHING to do with me. That is
35 Gentoo Developers neglecting their own contributors. Upsetting them and
36 driving them away. Do you think any of them will contribute more?
37
38 I feel bad for all three.... They were not treated right!
39
40 > If somebody looks at our list archives and see lots of flames, they
41 > may be discouraged from participating.
42
43 Rarely will chaos drive someone away from a superior product and
44 offering. More so if one is technically superior to another. If such
45 does they then were not interested in the technical aspects or did not
46 consider them superior.
47
48 Why do I still run Gentoo after how I am treated and seen? For
49 technical reasons clearly not social.
50
51 > If somebody posts a bug and somebody replies saying that xyz on
52 > Gentoo is dead and that you'd be better off on another distro,
53 > they'll probably take that advice ensuring xyz remains dead. Etc.
54
55 Or when the bug and/or fix for said issue goes ignored for a very long
56 time. It shows that the Distro is being neglected. That alone will
57 drive people away. Even if a package is alive, it can be dead on a
58 given distro.
59
60 > It is a bit of "we will not hide problems" vs "not hiding problems
61 > actually causes those problems." Suicide by social contract?
62
63 People are intuitive and can see problems hidden or not.
64
65 Gentoo Developers and people within are creating FAR more problems than
66 anyone on the outside.... There are 3 clear examples above. Where is
67 the clear example of say my actions driving another away? Any evidence?
68
69 --
70 William L. Thomson Jr.