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On czwartek, 13 października 2016 17:27:39 CEST Michał Górny wrote: |
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> On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 10:15:47 -0400 |
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> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote: |
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> > On Thursday, October 13, 2016 5:16:48 AM EDT Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> > > 2. The Foundation needs to focus first and foremost on keeping the |
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> > > lights on. Right now there are 10 periodic activities that the |
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> > > Foundation needs to perform to be in compliance with the law/etc, and |
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> > > according to the public records of the Foundation we're current on 6 |
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> > > of them. Not all are equally important, and maybe we're just bad at |
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> > > recordkeeping, but it isn't a great sign. ( |
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> > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Activity_Tracker ) |
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> > This is self inflicted. Driving people away who may help keep the |
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> > foundation in order. If you look at the past, it was the foundation |
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> > neglect that got me involved... |
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> > |
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> > I did things in a brief period that others had not up till that point. |
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> > Including Foundation Reinstatement with New Mexico, Obtaining a Bank |
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> > Account, and formal by law review and modification on -nfp. So the draft |
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> > that existed since the Foundation was created could become adopted and |
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> > official. As it was just after I resigned. I also found Gentoo's EIN/TIN |
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> > number. |
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> > This was all in ~6 months. Had I remained as a Trustee, things with the |
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> > IRS |
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> > and other would have been in order. That things are not in order, shows |
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> > when you drive one away, another does not always replace them. The |
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> > foundation suffered, and Gentoo Java. |
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> > For what benefit? For the benefit of saving the distro from a potential |
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> > toxic person. Which ends up just setting things back. |
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> > > 3. I've yet to see any evidence that Comrel has actually done |
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> > > anything wrong. |
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> > Which is why an appeal is pointless with some commenting being on the |
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> > council. |
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> > I have factually shown Comrel does not follow procedures. Not in 2008, nor |
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> > 2015. That a council member can make a statement that comrel has done no |
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> > wrong. Where do you go from there? |
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> > Facts have been presented about Comrel not following policy. Yet such a |
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> > comment from a council member who keeps talking about appeal. It really |
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> > goes to show the root of the problems, much deeper than just comrel. |
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> > Flat out denial.... |
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> > > We also have an active thread where |
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> > > |
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> > > somebody is complaining about Comrel but refuses to actually appeal, |
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> > > and has commented in the thread that he thinks it is unlikely that his |
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> > > appeal would be successful. |
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> > I have publicly polled the sentiment of the community and some were |
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> > members of the council that would be voting on any appeal. The comments |
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> > show how people feel on the matter. An appeal would be further waste of |
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> > time. Given the flat out denial to comrel not following policy, yet |
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> > saying they do no wrong. |
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> > |
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> > So if I do not follow policy, do not use repoman and break things in tree. |
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> > I am not doing wrong? Failure to follow policy is doing wrong... |
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> > If the general community much less council member do not see that |
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> > publicly. |
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> > What point is there to any appeal? |
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> > > I think there is room for improvement here, but I think it would be a |
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> > > mistake to do something drastic. |
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> > And that is why an appeal is pointless. You are bias and not open minded. |
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> > What if you are wrong? What if it would be a mistake to NOT do something |
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> > drastic? |
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> No, the appeal is pointless because it's far too late for it to make |
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> any sense. As you say, it was 8 years ago. Get over it. Move on with |
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> your life. It's all fun to hear stories of the past but hearing random |
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> parts of your story over and over again is past bearing of most of |
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> the people on this mailing list, other mailing lists, IRC and wherever |
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> you keep sending them. |
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> |
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> So, please stop. If you really want to tell your story so much, write |
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> a consistent, complete autobiography with all the bits in one place. If |
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> you want to do something about Gentoo, set up a proper plan and start |
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> working on it. Make things happen by hard work and cooperation, rather |
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> than complaints, whining, accusations, preaching and everything else |
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> you seem to be doing around here. |
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> And do something about your ego. Yes, we know you were the most |
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> important person in the whole world, you already told us that. You |
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> and your old friends, most of whom are not involved in Gentoo anymore. |
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> That's all cool but that's the past. Now there are new people |
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> in Gentoo, whether you like it or not. Those new people have put a lot |
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> of effort into various aspects of Gentoo. Now those people are Gentoo |
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> developers, and you are a newcomer to them. |
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> If you want to do something about Gentoo, then do it. But start |
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> respecting the others, not only the people who made up Gentoo back |
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> in your days, and stop expecting to suddenly get all the privileges |
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> that you had many years ago back. |
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> Gentoo developers aren't perfect. We can live with many toxic people |
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> because they are able to give Gentoo something in return. However, if |
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> the potential issues clearly overrule the potential benefit... |
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+1. |
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This had to be said.. |
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Perhaps Michał should have picked different words here and there but I can |
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totally get the frustration. Ego is always the best utilized in code. |
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regards |
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MM |