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On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 10:15:47 -0400 |
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"William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote: |
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> On Thursday, October 13, 2016 5:16:48 AM EDT Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> > |
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> > 2. The Foundation needs to focus first and foremost on keeping the |
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> > lights on. Right now there are 10 periodic activities that the |
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> > Foundation needs to perform to be in compliance with the law/etc, and |
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> > according to the public records of the Foundation we're current on 6 |
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> > of them. Not all are equally important, and maybe we're just bad at |
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> > recordkeeping, but it isn't a great sign. ( |
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> > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Activity_Tracker ) |
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> This is self inflicted. Driving people away who may help keep the foundation in |
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> order. If you look at the past, it was the foundation neglect that got me |
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> involved... |
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> I did things in a brief period that others had not up till that point. |
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> Including Foundation Reinstatement with New Mexico, Obtaining a Bank Account, |
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> and formal by law review and modification on -nfp. So the draft that existed |
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> since the Foundation was created could become adopted and official. As it was |
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> just after I resigned. I also found Gentoo's EIN/TIN number. |
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> This was all in ~6 months. Had I remained as a Trustee, things with the IRS |
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> and other would have been in order. That things are not in order, shows when |
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> you drive one away, another does not always replace them. The foundation |
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> suffered, and Gentoo Java. |
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> For what benefit? For the benefit of saving the distro from a potential toxic |
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> person. Which ends up just setting things back. |
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> > 3. I've yet to see any evidence that Comrel has actually done |
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> > anything wrong. |
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> Which is why an appeal is pointless with some commenting being on the council. |
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> I have factually shown Comrel does not follow procedures. Not in 2008, nor |
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> 2015. That a council member can make a statement that comrel has done no |
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> wrong. Where do you go from there? |
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> Facts have been presented about Comrel not following policy. Yet such a |
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> comment from a council member who keeps talking about appeal. It really goes |
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> to show the root of the problems, much deeper than just comrel. |
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> Flat out denial.... |
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> > We also have an active thread where |
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> > somebody is complaining about Comrel but refuses to actually appeal, |
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> > and has commented in the thread that he thinks it is unlikely that his |
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> > appeal would be successful. |
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> I have publicly polled the sentiment of the community and some were members of |
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> the council that would be voting on any appeal. The comments show how people |
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> feel on the matter. An appeal would be further waste of time. Given the flat |
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> out denial to comrel not following policy, yet saying they do no wrong. |
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> So if I do not follow policy, do not use repoman and break things in tree. I |
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> am not doing wrong? Failure to follow policy is doing wrong... |
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> If the general community much less council member do not see that publicly. |
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> What point is there to any appeal? |
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> > I think there is room for improvement here, but I think it would be a |
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> > mistake to do something drastic. |
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> And that is why an appeal is pointless. You are bias and not open minded. What |
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> if you are wrong? What if it would be a mistake to NOT do something drastic? |
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No, the appeal is pointless because it's far too late for it to make |
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any sense. As you say, it was 8 years ago. Get over it. Move on with |
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your life. It's all fun to hear stories of the past but hearing random |
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parts of your story over and over again is past bearing of most of |
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the people on this mailing list, other mailing lists, IRC and wherever |
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you keep sending them. |
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So, please stop. If you really want to tell your story so much, write |
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a consistent, complete autobiography with all the bits in one place. If |
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you want to do something about Gentoo, set up a proper plan and start |
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working on it. Make things happen by hard work and cooperation, rather |
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than complaints, whining, accusations, preaching and everything else |
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you seem to be doing around here. |
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And do something about your ego. Yes, we know you were the most |
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important person in the whole world, you already told us that. You |
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and your old friends, most of whom are not involved in Gentoo anymore. |
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That's all cool but that's the past. Now there are new people |
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in Gentoo, whether you like it or not. Those new people have put a lot |
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of effort into various aspects of Gentoo. Now those people are Gentoo |
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developers, and you are a newcomer to them. |
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If you want to do something about Gentoo, then do it. But start |
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respecting the others, not only the people who made up Gentoo back |
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in your days, and stop expecting to suddenly get all the privileges |
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that you had many years ago back. |
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Gentoo developers aren't perfect. We can live with many toxic people |
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because they are able to give Gentoo something in return. However, if |
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the potential issues clearly overrule the potential benefit... |
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Best regards, |
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Michał Górny |
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<http://dev.gentoo.org/~mgorny/> |
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