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On Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:58:44 PM EST Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:36 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. |
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> <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote: |
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> > I am not saying ideas should never come from developers. More than most |
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> > the |
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> > ideas should be coming from the council, as they are leading Gentoo. The |
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> > council should always be receptive to developer input and ideas, but |
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> > should be producing at least the same if not more themselves. |
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> On this I disagree. |
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There will always be disagreements in communities, and why you need |
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leadership. |
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> The kind of leadership you're talking about doesn't require winning an |
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> election. Anybody can lead Gentoo in this way. This was largely the |
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> intended role of project leaders back in the day. |
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Those still fed into a larger hierarchy. |
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> The role of the Council is to keep all the disparate little projects |
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> that make up Gentoo working in relative harmony. That way when the |
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> leader of the C++ project wants to make a change that will break all |
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> the Java packages you don't just have the two project leads fighting |
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> WW3. |
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So conflict resolution is the only purpose of the council? There is no greater |
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vision for Gentoo? |
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> If somebody has an idea for where they want to take Gentoo I hope |
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> they're not waiting until they win an election to implement it. |
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What about things like Gentoo certifications? That can come from anyone |
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anywhere? It is naive to thing anyone developer or contributor can lead Gentoo |
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as a total project. |
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Gentoo has not had any unified direction likely since Daniel left. Thus since |
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its just been adrift with no direction no focus. Just what ever the whims of |
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anyone contributing code. |
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On the smaller scale anyone can scratch their itch. But as you went up the |
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hierarchy pre-council you would run into someone who was looking as to the |
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direction of the project as a whole. When that person felt they could not |
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lead, they tried to transition to another structure. |
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Which because everyone has their 2 cents on what the council, foundation, |
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Gentoo etc should be. Its been unfocused since then, because its consensus |
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leadership rather than having an actual leader, singular, or via the council. |
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> If nobody has any such ideas then we wouldn't have anybody to elect into |
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> a Council role even if we thought the Council was the place for such |
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> folks. |
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Ideas exist but ones for the project as a whole, are not able to be pulled off |
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from within. |
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Why did Steve Jobs leave Apple? He was never fire, but reduced his role such |
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that he had little influence over things, so he left. When he returned and was |
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given full control, history was made. A company facing failure and bankruptcy |
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returned to be the most profitable in the US. |
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Steve had ideas for Apple they did not want. They did not want him. Apple |
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suffered severely without. Steve went on to pursue his ideas which Apple |
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eventually bought some back, and others Disney bought... |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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