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Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: |
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> On Tue, 16 May 2017, Dale wrote: |
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> Dale, |
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> yes we're aware we have some issues. Several of us have acknowledged |
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> that. |
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> The main issue we have is lack of man power, in general and on |
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> specific areas. Then we have developers losing motivation and getting |
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> burned up by having to deal with the same discussions time and again |
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> and by feeling they're being "bullied" by someone in the Community. |
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> Some developers are reaching a "tipping point". We need them to go |
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> out, take a breath and relax. But that doesn't excuse a behaviour of |
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> pushing individual's buttons and trying to cause as much havoc as |
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> possible. |
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> About "censorship", if our goal had been to "silence" someone or to |
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> prevent "dissent opinion", we would have banned emails and cleaned up |
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> archives a long time ago. The shear number of emails from the |
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> individual that has "cried foul" is evidence alone that he hasn't been |
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> silenced. A quick glance over the archives will easily show up |
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> divergent opinions. |
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> Finally, for all the conspiracy claims going around, there have been |
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> in the last years 2 former developers making a fuss about not being |
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> let in. |
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> As a ComRel member, that won't go into details regarding the specific |
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> cases, I can inform the community that there are valid reasons for |
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> them not to be let in and that most of their claims aren't accurate or |
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> true. |
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> If one goes around setting fires everywhere, burning all bridges and |
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> openly being hostile to everyone, it can't be a surprise if one is |
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> deemed "not wanted". |
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> Best regards, |
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> Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto |
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> Gentoo Developer |
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And I understand that frustration. It frustrates me to see Gentoo go |
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through the same issues over and over again with nothing changing. As I |
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pointed out earlier this is a self fulfilling problem or a viscous |
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cycle. This that just happened with months of work not helping anyone, |
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leaving out things from ages ago about a ex-dev and his post, is a sad |
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situation for everyone. Gentoo may have lost a future dev because of |
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the problem Gentoo doesn't have time to address which leads to it going |
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on again and again. The more I think about this, the more frustrated I |
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get because it's not going to stop the cycle by doing the same things. |
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Rich and myself had a exchange with me asking questions and trying to |
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get to some sort of solution but I don't hold any ill will against him |
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and I certainly don't mean it in a bad way. Heck, I like a lot of |
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things Rich has done and have said as much. He's one of the devs that |
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is active on -user. To me, that is a really good thing because he is |
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helpful, very helpful at that. He doesn't have to be active on -user at |
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all. But he is. I might add, it's one reason I reply to him because |
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eventually, we work it out. |
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I don't care if it takes a while but I'd like to continue to work with |
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this to see if something, anything, can be done to help with this sort |
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of situation. As I pointed out to Kent, if I can do nothing but plant a |
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seed that ends up getting Gentoo to a better place, I'm fine with that. |
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If some idea I come up with helps, fine. If it just leads to something |
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that will help, that's fine too. But to act like this problem that has |
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went on for a long time is going to solve itself, obviously that isn't |
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going to work. |
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As to ex-devs, Gentoo needs help. Where possible, let people help. If |
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that means them not being able to do so within Gentoo but they can |
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outside of it, fine. I have to admit tho, I've never seen where posting |
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something that is honest is supposed to be a bad thing and be punished. |
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The post that got William off of Github was maybe not ideal but at least |
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it wasn't ignoring the poor guy that put in all that effort for |
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basically nothing. If I were active there and saw the post William |
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responded to, I would likely have offered pretty much the same |
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information. |
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Now, is anyone interested in discussing a solution or does Gentoo plan |
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to do the same thing and expect different results? |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |