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On Tue, 16 May 2017, Dale wrote: |
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> Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>>> Rich Freeman wrote: |
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I'm going to reply to short snippets of your e-mail. |
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>> Do you think that anybody really enjoys going through all this |
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>> headache just to boot somebody? That's why most code of conduct |
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>> violations end up being ignored. |
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CoC issues were always meant to be dealt with warnings and short bans from |
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specific mediums. The most serious issues are covered by other policies. |
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>> I challenge you to actually get yourself banned around here. It |
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>> probably wouldn't even occur to you what you'd have to do to |
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>> accomplish this. Why do you think we let countless people complain |
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>> about this stuff on the lists without just suppressing it? |
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Rich, |
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I understand the frustration, but let's please not incite bad behaviour. |
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> According to the email that William forwarded that he got from comrel, |
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To clear one piece of misinformation, William didn't got any email from |
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ComRel. His ban from github wasn't issued by ComRel. |
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> I see a theme here. Gentoo has had a few problems for quite a while. |
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> Based on what I've read over the past few months and certainly the past |
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> few days, I don't see that changing anytime soon. 10 years from now, it |
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> will be the same. |
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Dale, |
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yes we're aware we have some issues. Several of us have acknowledged that. |
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The main issue we have is lack of man power, in general and on specific |
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areas. Then we have developers losing motivation and getting burned up by |
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having to deal with the same discussions time and again and by feeling |
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they're being "bullied" by someone in the Community. |
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Some developers are reaching a "tipping point". We need them to go out, |
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take a breath and relax. But that doesn't excuse a behaviour of pushing |
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individual's buttons and trying to cause as much havoc as possible. |
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About "censorship", if our goal had been to "silence" someone or to |
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prevent "dissent opinion", we would have banned emails and cleaned up |
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archives a long time ago. The shear number of emails from the individual |
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that has "cried foul" is evidence alone that he hasn't been silenced. A |
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quick glance over the archives will easily show up divergent opinions. |
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Finally, for all the conspiracy claims going around, there have been in |
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the last years 2 former developers making a fuss about not being let in. |
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As a ComRel member, that won't go into details regarding the specific |
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cases, I can inform the community that there are valid reasons for them |
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not to be let in and that most of their claims aren't accurate or true. |
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If one goes around setting fires everywhere, burning all bridges and |
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openly being hostile to everyone, it can't be a surprise if one is deemed |
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"not wanted". |
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Best regards, |
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Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto |
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Gentoo Developer |
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