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On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:15:15 +0200 hasufell wrote: |
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> On 10/09/2015 01:56 PM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: |
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> > Well let's think about this. If github went away, or we needed to part |
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> > ways with github, what we would we want to keep from their site? |
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> It is more likely that our infra servers go down or break than github. |
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> From a reliability standpoint, our infra servers clearly lose. |
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This is not a question of infrastructure high availability, this is |
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a question of the data long-term availability. GitHub is outside of |
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our control. If it perishes, we are in trouble, big trouble if we |
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stored important data and had important workflow via GitHub only. |
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And unfortunately the words above are not sheer speculation. |
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1) GitHub _was already blocked_ in several countries [1]. We are an |
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international community, thus we can't rely on such resource. |
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2) Since GitHub is not completely open, it has a rist of following |
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SourceForge fate. Before GitHub appeared SourceForge was probably |
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the most popular development platform, at least 8-10 years ago. |
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They were good guys. Later their owner changed, their policy |
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changed, with known consequences: now SourceForge is known for its |
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project hijacking [2] and adware. The worst result is that |
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SourceForge is damaged good Free Software projects, e.g. GIMP [3] |
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and now blocked by most anti-ads software [4,5]. |
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And now GitHub are good guys. But for how long? |
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I want to ensure long-time project stability of Gentoo, that's why |
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I can't accept the violation of the Gentoo Social contract, which |
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was made to protect the project from dangers alike this one. That's |
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why we must have our own infrastructure. |
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Please note, nobody says: you can use GitHub only overy my dead |
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body. As can be seen from this discussion, there is a solution: all |
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GitHub data must be mirrored on our infrastructure in a usable and |
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searchable way, so that: |
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1) we will ensure long-time availability of all development data; |
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2) no single developer will be force to use GitHub to "politely |
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review pull requests" or whatever. |
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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub |
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[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Controversies |
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[3] |
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https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00144.html |
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[4] |
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https://ma.ttias.be/ublock-origin-now-blocking-access-to-sourceforge/ |
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[5] |
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http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/15/popular-software-projects-leave-sourceforge/ |
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Best regards, |
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Andrew Savchenko |
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